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China vs the US: Kishore Mahbubani on a Zero-Sum Rivalry

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China vs the US: Kishore Mahbubani on a Zero-Sum Rivalry

The Mishal Husain Show

May 15
The Mishal Husain Show

The Mishal Husain Show

May 15
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Beyond this week’s talks between Chinese President Xi Jinping and US President Donald Trump, there’s an epic tale that has been unfolding for decades. It’s a battle to be the world’s number one power and a much bigger story than the latest meeting of these two men.  Kishore Mahbubani is a former Singaporean diplomat who served as president of the United Nations Security Council. For two decades, he has argued that the West fundamentally misunderstands the rise of China and its challenge to American supremacy. Mahbubani. who eventually turned to academia, now specializes in governance and public policy. In this conversation with Mishal Husain, he traces the story behind the Xi-Trump talks, the handshakes and the social media posts–and what may lie ahead. Mahbubani also reveals how his own successes were made possible by Singapore’s remarkable growth. Read this interview with Mishal’s notes on Bloomberg Weekend: www.bloomberg.com/ [http://www.bloomberg.com/latest/weekend-interview]Mishal 03:34 - “The most important contest of our time” 5:50  - “It's not about personalities” 6:26 - “China can no longer be stopped” 07:28 - US versus China: It’s a “zero-sum” game 08:40 - Bill Clinton’s first meeting with Jiang Zemin 12:35 - Cold War Comparisons 18:30 - Growing up in Singapore in the 1950s 19:53 - "My mother never cracked” 26:25 - “China has become a tiger” 30:24 - US war is a “gift” to China Contact The Mishal Husain Show mishalshow@bloomberg.net Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

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This episode features Mishal Husain in conversation with Kishore Mahbubani, a former Singaporean diplomat and expert on global governance, who offers a long-view analysis of the US-China rivalry beyond the optics of recent summits.
00:00
Kishore Mahbubani suggests the US and China should avoid a zero-sum contest
03:37
The US-China rivalry is the most important contest of our time
05:53
When Biden launched tariff wars, only China stood up to the US
06:28
In the US-China context, it's a zero-sum game, and there's a consensus in Washington to stop China's rise
07:32
It's unwise for the US to try to stop China's rise as it can no longer be halted
08:40
US-China collaboration is vital for global challenges
16:33
Over 130 million Chinese travel abroad and return each year, showing they are not as 'unfree' as portrayed
18:32
The West's concerns about Chinese Muslims are a political tool to embarrass China
23:27
His mother escaped communal violence in 1947 and embodied extraordinary resilience
29:54
China's remarkable and dramatic rise is reshaping the Asian regional order
34:06
US Middle East wars are gifts to China, enabling its growth

Chapters

US-China Rivalry and the Avoidance of Zero-Sum Conflict
00:00
“The most important contest of our time”
03:34
“It's not about personalities”
05:50
“China can no longer be stopped”
06:26
US versus China: It’s a “zero-sum” game
07:28
Bill Clinton’s first meeting with Jiang Zemin
08:40
Cold War Comparisons
12:35
Growing up in Singapore in the 1950s
18:30
"My mother never cracked”
19:53
“China has become a tiger”
26:25
US war is a “gift” to China
30:24

Transcript

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