We've got a surprise for you! Here's the recording from our September 2025 live show in Seattle, featuring Josh Gwynn! For more of Josh and Rachelle gossiping, here's Rachelle on Josh's show Back Issue [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-our-gossip-girl-era/id1517702956?i=1000605126870].  Subscribe to our newsletter for writing from Rachelle, Se'era, Jae, Alex, and Kelsey, plus blog recommendations and secrets! [https://cdn.forms-content.sg-form.com/8b2832e4-8d63-11ee-a318-ba05e8f402f5] You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying merch [https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip] or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at supportnormalgossip.com [https://defector.com/products/normalgossip]. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: https://normalgossip.komi.io/ [https://normalgossip.komi.io/] Episode transcript here [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V2flnZrqltvRxV-dQ0BjXzqTXtqgLLFo0C7oSiZcANM/edit?usp=sharing]. Follow the show on Instagram @normalgossip [https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/], and if you have gossip, email us at normalgossip@defector.com or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP. Normal Gossip is hosted by Rachelle Hampton (@heyydnae [https://www.instagram.com/heyydnae/?hl=en]) and produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks (@seera_sharae [https://www.instagram.com/seera_sharae/?hl=en]) and Jae Towle Vieira (@jaetowlevieira [https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==]). Alex Sujong Laughlin (@alexlaughs [https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/]) is our Supervising Producer. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor. Show art by Tara Jacoby. Normal Gossip is a proud member of Radiotopia [https://www.radiotopia.fm/]. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices [https://dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices]