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The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT

Hard Fork

Jul 17
Hard Fork

Hard Fork

Jul 17

Shownote

This week, feuding between some of the biggest tech companies spilled into public view. We discuss Apple’s accusation that OpenAI tried to steal secrets about Apple’s hardware business, as well as share our reactions about OpenAI’s new model, Sol, and Anthropic’s decision to extend access to its model Fable. Then, we unpack the loudest warning yet about A.I. and jobs. We talk with Erik Brynjolfsson, a Stanford economist, about a statement he helped organize that implores economists and A.I. researchers to “act now” to steer A.I. in a direction that complements humans. And finally, we play a round of HatGPT.   Guest: * Erik Brynjolfsson [https://www.brynjolfsson.com/], senior fellow at the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered A.I., and director of the Stanford Digital Economy Lab.   Additional Reading: * Apple Sues OpenAI, Accusing It of Stealing Company Secrets [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/technology/apple-openai-lawsuit.html] * OpenAI’s First Device Will Be Movable, Screenless Speaker Built as A.I. Companion [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-14/openai-s-first-device-will-be-moveable-screenless-speaker-built-as-ai-companion] * Nearly 200 Economists and Tech Leaders Warn of A.I. Threats [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/13/business/economists-ai-threat-jobs.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xVA.8iwD.8XPZrSpF01m9&smid=bs-share] * The loudest warning about A.I. and jobs yet [https://www.platformer.news/ai-jobs-warning-brynjolfsson-acemoglu/?ref=platformer-newsletter] * OpenAI Is Showing Kalshi’s World Cup Odds in ChatGPT [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/13/technology/kalshi-openai-chatgpt-world-cup-odds.html] * New York Enacts Nation’s First Statewide Moratorium on Data Centers [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/14/nyregion/new-york-data-center-moratorium-hochul.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share] * Brown Professor Suspects Majority of His Class Used A.I. to Cheat [https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/learning-assessment/2026/07/08/brown-professor-suspects-most-his-class-used-ai-cheat] * MiniMax CEO Vows to Forgo Salary Until Achieving A.G.I [https://www.theinformation.com/briefings/minimax-ceo-vows-forgo-salary-achieving-agi?rc=8aq5ai]. * Lorde Speaks Out — With Expletives — Against A.I. Glasses [https://stereogum.com/2504954/lorde-speaks-out-against-fucked-up-ai-glasses/news] * Nearly 6 in 10 Young Women Get Health and Wellness Information from Influencers [https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/07/13/nearly-6-in-10-young-women-get-health-and-wellness-information-from-influencers/] * Meta Removes A.I. Feature on Instagram After Days of Backlash [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/technology/meta-muse-images-instagram-removal.html]   We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/hardfork] and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork]. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts [http://nytimes.com/podcasts] or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher [https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher]. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Highlights

This episode dives into a week of high-profile tech feuds, new AI models, and a stark warning about the future of work. The hosts break down a major lawsuit between Apple and OpenAI, explore the escalating rivalry between AI labs, and discuss a significant statement from economists about job displacement.
05:38
Apple sues OpenAI, alleging it stole trade secrets.
22:17
The feud is dangerous, hindering collaboration.
39:22
Technology can be directed differently
50:16
Hoping more people can do what they enjoy.
1:02:38
AGI is already here for salary purposes.

Chapters

Apple vs. OpenAI: A Lawsuit Over Stolen Secrets and a Screenless Speaker
00:00
The AI Arms Race Heats Up: OpenAI's Sol vs. Anthropic's Fable
14:19
The Loudest Warning Yet: Nearly 200 Economists on AI and Job Displacement
24:56
From Gambling Bots to Data Center Bans: The Week in AI Policy
50:16
AI Cheating, CEO Salary Vows, and the Backlash Against Smart Glasses
59:24

Transcript

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