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从「上瘾模型」到「专注力训练」,如何在被算法理解的世界里重新找回主动?| 英文访谈 S9E33

Shownote

今天这期节目,我们请到了两本畅销书《上瘾》(Hooked)和《专注力》(Indistractable)的作者、斯坦福大学讲师、连续创业者 Nir Eyal。过去十年间,Nir Eyal 的产品设计逻辑影响了几乎所有的科技产品经理,并引发大众对专注力问题的重新思考。 在这次访谈中,Nir 探讨了在 AI 时代,他在《上瘾》中提出的「触发 -- 行动 -- 奖励 -- 投入」的经典行为模型在今天依然适用,因为人性并未改变。Nir 还深入分享了如何提高专注对抗分心,强调「预先规划,是抵御分心的唯一方法」(The ...

Highlights

In this episode, we sit down with Nir Eyal, author of 'Hooked' and 'Indistractable', to explore the enduring power of behavioral design in the AI era. Eyal argues that while technology evolves, human psychology remains constant, making his classic Hooked model more relevant than ever. He shares practical strategies for overcoming distraction, emphasizing that the antidote to impulsiveness is forethought, and offers insights into how AI can be harnessed to build products that genuinely improve our lives.
02:16
Distraction stems from unmanaged discomfort, not character flaws.
04:40
Human psychology remains unchanged in the AI era.
08:11
Build products you personally need.
12:00
Persuasion helps people do what they want; coercion forces unwanted actions.
16:23
We must take responsibility for our own technology use.
23:16
Willpower is not a resource but an emotion.
24:04
Distraction is an escape from discomfort.
41:50
New technologies don't necessarily kill old ones.
45:09
Kids seek online what they lack offline.

Chapters

Managing Distraction in the AI Era
00:00
重温 《上瘾》(Hooked):「上瘾模型」没有改变,因为人类心理不会改变
04:38
人类行为的根源:我们所有的行动都来自逃避不适
05:45
相比刷手机,我们应该鼓励人们去做「更有意义」的事吗?
08:10
说服 (Persuasion) vs 胁迫 (Coercion) :产品应被用来「让人上瘾于好事」
12:00
从《上瘾》到《专注力》(Indistractable):如何摆脱坏习惯、重新掌控注意力?
16:20
「预先规划,是抵御所有分心的唯一方法」(The antidote to impulsiveness is forethought)
20:40
「10-minute rule」和「Time boxing」原则,帮你找回越来越稀缺的注意力
24:00
在 AI 时代,我们如何构建新的产品形态?
36:15
如何培养有专注力的下一代?首先成为不分心的父母
45:09

Transcript

丁教 Diane: 有声音,碰撞世界,声动活泼,与全球创新第一时间同步,这里是 What's Next?科技早知道,我是 Diane,我是 Yaxian,哈喽,大家好,欢迎来到科技早知道,我是丁教 Diane。那今天这期节目是一期英文的访谈,节目的嘉宾是 Nir Eyal。他是两本畅销书的作者 Hooked 上瘾,以及 Indistractable 专注力的作者。那他其实也同时是斯坦福大学的讲师,然后曾经也是连续创业者。他的作品几乎定义了,一个时代的产品的逻辑,也让我们重新在思考,专注力是怎么一回事。那我想...