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Samm Sacks and Paul Triolo on WAIC 2026, Xi's AI Speech, and Kimi K3

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Samm Sacks and Paul Triolo on WAIC 2026, Xi's AI Speech, and Kimi K3

Sinica Podcast

1 DAYS AGO
Sinica Podcast

Sinica Podcast

1 DAYS AGO
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This week on Sinica, a rare treat: an in-person recording from Beijing with two dear friends who happen to be two of the very best in the business on technology and China — Samm Sacks and Paul Triolo, fresh off the exhibition floor of the World Artificial ...

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In this special in-person episode recorded from Beijing, Kaiser Kuo is joined by China tech experts Samm Sacks and Paul Triolo, fresh from the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai. They dissect the key developments and geopolitical undercurrents shaping the AI landscape, from Xi Jinping's landmark appearance to the latest model releases and U.S. policy reactions.
05:55
Now six layers with law added by Angela Zhang.
11:41
AI integration across China's entire economy
18:01
Xi Jinping's first in-person appearance at WAIC
21:19
China evolved on AI safety but was excluded by the US.
22:26
China focuses on societal stability while the U.S. prioritizes catastrophic risks.
28:33
Less focus on existential threats in China
30:09
AI policy gravity shifts from Beijing to Shanghai
37:35
Kimi K3 is competitive with top closed models in coding and agentic tasks.
47:32
Open-source models find vulnerabilities closed models cannot.
52:23
Real regulation, not FUD.
1:00:56
China is ahead in grappling with these issues
1:02:28
Trust is the core bottleneck for AI interconnection.
1:17:28
The clock is ticking as RSI could have effects within 12 months.

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Introduction
00:00
The view from the floor: heat, humidity, robot boxing grandmas, WeChat-gated free water, and the "AI+" vibe — why WAIC 2026 felt less like an AI conference than a sector-by-sector snapshot of China's entire economy being supercharged with AI, with attendance swelling to some 200,000 tickets
08:51
Why Xi showed up: what the leader's first in-person WAIC appearance and his most extensive AI statement to date signal, and why domestic drivers matter as much as geopolitics
16:32
Chapter and verse: which phrases from the speech will be put to work in the system — "secure and orderly development" and the governance of agents, and Xi's strikingly extensive language on AI safety after China was frozen out of the Paris process
18:01
The ānquán problem: one word meaning both "safety" and "security," the three buckets of AI risk, and how China's safety community has moved from bias and deepfakes toward CBRN and loss-of-control concerns — Black Mirror versus Star Trek
22:26
Shanghai's baby: how WAIC's ownership structure differs from the CAC-run World Internet Conference in Wuzhen, Chen Jining's very visible host duties, and whether the center of gravity in AI policy is shifting to the Yangtze River Delta
28:14
WAICO: what the new World AI Cooperation Organization with its 29 founding members is actually for, Xi's concrete deliverables for the Global South — 5,000 AI training slots, regional cooperation centers, the MAZU early-warning system — and healthy skepticism about follow-through
30:05
Kimi K3: what's technically significant in Moonshot's big new model, why it's the fourth arguably frontier-class Chinese release in a single month, the two-way traffic in distillation accusations, and what it all says about the state of the frontier gap four years into export controls
34:39
Washington reacts: the reported menu of options for shutting Chinese open-weight models out of the U.S. — entity listings, a draft executive order, supply-chain security authorities — and why none of the tools actually fit the problem
40:33
Strange bedfellows: David Sacks versus the "closed lab duopoly," the FUD strategy, why some 80% of Andreessen Horowitz portfolio companies reportedly run on Chinese open models, and how gating U.S. frontier models while Chinese weights flow freely supercharges the AI sovereignty argument worldwide
49:36
The model is infrastructure, the agent is the product: the ByteDance–ZTE agentic phone, the CAC's new initiative on agent trust and interoperability, and why agents fused into operating systems upend both super-app walled gardens and China's data protection regime
54:55
An exegesis of kěkòng: the many meanings of "controllable," the long history of ānquán kěkòng in Chinese tech policy, and the unanswered question of who — CAC, NDRC, or somebody new — actually owns AI safety in either system
1:02:27
The road to September: what to expect from the first U.S.-China AI dialogue, why Mythos tops the Chinese grievance list, the securitization feedback loop that starves trust-and-safety advocates of resources on both sides, and why recursive self-improvement makes this feel like a last, best chance
1:08:54

Transcript

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