Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it | E2328
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Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it | E2328
Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it | E2328

This Week in Startups
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Today's show:
Jason's been saying it for years now (and we've got an All In clip from 2023 to
prove it). Open source will win the AI race. This week gives us a major evidence
point, as $11B legal AI company Harvey released its own in-house model, trained
on an open-weight Kimi K3 base. Harvey made a proprietary specialized solution
without having to risk sharing its precious expert-compiled data with the major
frontier labs.
PLUS we're checking out the FREE AI dictation app Willow with co-founder Allan
Guo, and finding out how he plans to compete with giants like Wispr Flow and
Apple. AND we've got the Stanford student who built an automated golf cart and
gave luminaries like Jensen Huang and Sam Altman rides around campus.
Guests
Allan Guo on X: https://x.com/_allanguo [https://x.com/_allanguo]
Willow: https://willowvoice.com/ [https://willowvoice.com/]
Ethan Goodhart: https://x.com/EthanGoodhart [https://x.com/EthanGoodhart]
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Relevant Links
CNBC: OpenAI "will be a public company in 2027":
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/19/open-ai-ipo-timing-2027-friar.html
[https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/19/open-ai-ipo-timing-2027-friar.html]
OpenAI Zero Data Retention Pledge:
https://openai.com/index/our-commitment-to-zero-data-retention
[https://openai.com/index/our-commitment-to-zero-data-retention]
TWIST (June 2026): Jason comments on OpenAI and training data:
https://youtu.be/o3eow1nTrcI?si=orungk7OmplOuyio&t=742
[https://youtu.be/o3eow1nTrcI?si=orungk7OmplOuyio&t=742]
All In podcast (Feb 2023): Jason comments on open source vs. frontier models:
https://youtu.be/PVgBWV2bvLs?si=j6y7sHS0wx9q09oa&t=5173
[https://youtu.be/PVgBWV2bvLs?si=j6y7sHS0wx9q09oa&t=5173]
Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai/ [https://www.harvey.ai/]
Harvey Tenet Research Preview:
https://www.harvey.ai/blog/post-training-update-harvey-tenet
[https://www.harvey.ai/blog/post-training-update-harvey-tenet]
Fireworks AI: https://fireworks.ai/ [https://fireworks.ai/]
Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/ [https://wisprflow.ai/]
Pipedrive: https://www.pipedrive.com/ [https://www.pipedrive.com/]
Nvidia Jetson Thor:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/autonomous-machines/embedded-systems/jetson-thor/
[https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/autonomous-machines/embedded-systems/jetson-thor/]
OpenAI shares Wind golf cart clip:
https://www.tiktok.com/@openai/video/7645336713472134431
[https://www.tiktok.com/@openai/video/7645336713472134431]
Starlink Mini:
https://starlink.com/mini-product-us?srsltid=AfmBOorzM7arxhdzYAdDpH6RGD4LLg9WV_BFnEoLuYieuHuGSCjQTE1Y
[https://starlink.com/mini-product-us?srsltid=AfmBOorzM7arxhdzYAdDpH6RGD4LLg9WV_BFnEoLuYieuHuGSCjQTE1Y]
Toro mowers: https://www.toro.com/ [https://www.toro.com/]
404 Media: https://www.404media.co/ [https://www.404media.co/]
Punchbowl News: https://punchbowl.news/ [https://punchbowl.news/]
Semafor: https://www.semafor.com/ [https://www.semafor.com/]
Skift: https://skift.com/ [https://skift.com/]
Newcomer: https://www.newcomer.co/ [https://www.newcomer.co/]
Deirdre Bosa on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@deebosa
[https://www.youtube.com/@deebosa]
Electrek: Genesis GV90 review:
https://electrek.co/2026/08/20/genesis-gv90-luxury-coach-doors-images/
[https://electrek.co/2026/08/20/genesis-gv90-luxury-coach-doors-images/]
Toyota Alphard gallery:
https://global.toyota/en/mobility/toyota-brand/gallery/alphard.html
[https://global.toyota/en/mobility/toyota-brand/gallery/alphard.html]
The Clash "London Calling" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfK-WX2pa8c]
Timestamps:
0:00 What is Jason's Grok Bot up to?
5:17 Systems over goals
9:43 Superhuman - Superhuman Go is an AI chat that's always there when you need
it, already aware of what you're doing, and doesn't ask you to start from zero.
Sign up to get the best in AI at https://Superhuman.com
13:08 OpenAI will go public soon
14:19 Top line ARR matters way less than churn
20:43 Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing
down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to
https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
29:55 Lightfield - Name one person who's ever enjoyed updating a CRM. Exactly.
Lightfield's AI agent does it for you — it even prospects and books your
meetings. Used by thousands of startups. Free at https://lightfield.app
30:52 Harvey launches Tenet
34:32 "Open source is going to win it all"
35:58 Allan Guo of Willow joins
39:18 Managing a single source of truth across a team
47:00 Lon and Jason love the Toyota Alphard
51:00 Stanford student and AV expert Ethan Goodhart joins
1:00:09 How Ethan got Jensen Huang to go for a ride
1:00:37 Punk Rock 101
1:06:24 Phoebe Gates' secret Harvard class
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Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, [https://youtu.be/pvJa2pzuXWQ] Eoghan
McCabe [https://youtu.be/9dHN4YFkgv4], Steve Huffman
[https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-on-mod-revolt-building-a/id315114957?i=1000617333424],
Brian Chesky
[https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/airbnb-ceo-brian-chesky-on-early-rejection-customer/id315114957?i=1000611761112],
Bob Moesta, [https://youtu.be/y2UMzSqX94Q] Aaron Levie
[https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/box-ceo-aaron-levie-breaks-down-box-ai-and-generative/id315114957?i=1000612384545],
Sophia Amoruso
[https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/sophia-amoruso-on-branding-raising-a-fund-portfolio/id315114957?i=1000601352978],
Reid Hoffman
[https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/reid-hoffman-on-ais-crescendo-moment-regulation-and/id315114957?i=1000612548498],
Frank Slootman
[https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/snowflake-ceo-frank-slootman-on-moving-the-needle-win/id315114957?i=1000602560622],
Billy McFarland
[https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/billy-mcfarland-on-fyre-fest-fraud-failure-hacking/id315114957?i=1000610922577]
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Highlights
Highlights
This episode examines how AI is reshaping research, enterprise software, and autonomous machines, while highlighting the strategic choices startups face as technology becomes more accessible.
Chapters
Chapters
What is Jason's Grok Bot up to?
00:00Systems over goals
05:17Superhuman - Superhuman Go is an AI chat that's always there when you need it, already aware of what you're doing, and doesn't ask you to start from zero. Sign up to get the best in AI at https://Superhuman.com
09:43OpenAI will go public soon
13:08Top line ARR matters way less than churn
14:19Sentry - Your team should be focused on shipping features — not chasing down bugs. New users can get $240 in free credits when they go to https://sentry.io/twist and use the code TWIST
20:43Lightfield - Name one person who's ever enjoyed updating a CRM. Exactly. Lightfield's AI agent does it for you — it even prospects and books your meetings. Used by thousands of startups. Free at https://lightfield.app
29:55Harvey launches Tenet
30:52"Open source is going to win it all"
34:32Allan Guo of Willow joins
35:58Managing a single source of truth across a team
39:18Lon and Jason love the Toyota Alphard
47:00Stanford student and AV expert Ethan Goodhart joins
51:00How Ethan got Jensen Huang to go for a ride
1:00:09Punk Rock 101
1:00:37Phoebe Gates' secret Harvard class
1:06:24Transcript
Transcript
Jason Calacanis: Open source is going to win it all. A&O litigators and DLA litigators are both using. Harvey, let's say. Harvey now is like, not only do we not trust OpenAI with this, we need to have our own model. Harvey was probably spending, if I had t...
