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20Product: Should We Kill the PM Role Entirely | How Does Product Design Change Most in a World of AI | How Do Monzo Build Product Today: What Works, What Does Not | Why Most Product Sucks and What Makes Truly Great Product

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20Product: Should We Kill the PM Role Entirely | How Does Product Design Change Most in a World of AI | How Do Monzo Build Product Today: What Works, What Does Not | Why Most Product Sucks and What Makes Truly Great Product

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

2025/07/27
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

2025/07/27
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Fernando Fanton is one of the most respected product leaders in Europe, having held Chief Product Officer roles at Monzo and Just Eat. He previously led product and tech at Rappi, one of Latin America's most valuable startups. Today, Fernando is the CPO @ ...

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In this insightful conversation, Fernando Fanton, a seasoned product leader with experience at top companies like Monzo, Rappi, and Property Finder, explores the evolving nature of product development, leadership, and innovation. Drawing from personal experiences and professional observations, he challenges conventional wisdom around vision-setting, product management roles, and the impact of emerging technologies like AI. The discussion delves into how emotional connection, trust, and iterative learning shape successful products and organizations.
00:00
Fernando expresses regret for quitting tennis, realizing its lifelong value
03:15
Incremental growth through daily self-improvement compounds over time and surpasses the limits of fixed visions.
09:28
Founding a startup is like raising a child, filled with pain and trust
11:48
AI tools now allow for rapid prototyping and user testing at Property Finder.
18:35
PMs should be more creative and spend time with customers, and fewer people are needed to create the same output with current trends.
21:00
Monzo prioritizes trust and emotional impact in financial products, given the stakes involved in people's financial lives.
31:13
Monzo's one-cent campaign succeeded by making saving effortless and incentivized
34:34
Monzo’s 'too nice' culture may actually be a strength.
42:00
LLMs are more full-stack than previous platforms, combining infrastructure and interface
47:13
Great products should generally be good investments unless their value is mainly for society.

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Is “having a vision” actually killing great product teams?
00:00
Why do most products suck—and what separates the great ones?
03:15
Should we kill the PM role entirely? Fernando says maybe.
07:20
Is Monzo’s obsession with trust more powerful than speed?
11:45
What’s the #1 reason internal tools will never replace SaaS?
16:10
Will AI wipe out the need for designers and PMs?
21:00
Is it arrogant for product teams to protect users from “bad” choices?
26:30
What’s the future of product when OpenAI controls the whole stack?
32:15
What Monzo product blew up—and why no one saw it coming?
37:40
Can a bank built on principles really become a $100B company?
42:55

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Harry Stebbings: You are listening to 20 Product with me, Harry Stebbings. Now, 20 Product is the monthly show where we sit down with the best CPOs in the world to discuss how they build, fricking amazing products and product teams. Today, we have one of t...