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The Man Who Wrote The Book On AI: 2030 Might Be The Point Of No Return! We've Been Lied To About AI!

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The Man Who Wrote The Book On AI: 2030 Might Be The Point Of No Return! We've Been Lied To About AI!

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

2025/12/04
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

2025/12/04
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AI Expert STUART RUSSELL, exposes the trillion-dollar AI race, why governments won’t regulate, how AGI could replace humans by 2030, and why only a nuclear-level AI catastrophe will wake us up Professor Stuart Russell O.B.E. is a world-renowned AI exper...

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In a candid and urgent conversation, AI pioneer Stuart Russell sounds the alarm about the unchecked trajectory of artificial intelligence development. With decades of expertise shaping the field, he warns that humanity is sleepwalking into an era where superintelligent systems could surpass human control—not through malice, but through competence misaligned with our survival.
00:00
Uncontrolled AI could lead to human extinction
03:29
A small-scale disaster like Chernobyl may be needed to prompt AI regulation
06:03
Dario Amadei estimates up to a 25% risk of human extinction from AI
08:04
Decision-makers are not acting with the urgency required by AGI's existential risks
10:06
AGI can cause a medium-sized catastrophe by shutting down life-support systems
13:10
Companies are spending at a scale comparable to 50 times the Manhattan Project on AGI next year
16:26
High-profile departures from OpenAI reflect the tension between safety concerns and aggressive development timelines.
18:14
Humans may lose control to AI just as gorillas lost control to humans.
19:34
We may not be able to control AGI once it surpasses human intelligence.
21:04
Consciousness isn't the issue; competence is.
22:49
Since 2013, my focus has been on AI safety after a sabbatical in Paris revealed the urgency of alignment.
24:09
Experts estimate a one-in-ten chance that AGI could lead to human extinction
26:48
Wish to have developed a provably safe AI framework earlier in the field's history
27:35
We adjust connection strengths in an AI network using training data without knowing what happens inside.
30:36
AI systems could conduct their own AI research, leading to an intelligence explosion as theorized by I.J. Good in 1965.
32:24
We may be past the 'event horizon' of AGI takeoff, where it's self-teaching.
37:36
AI chose not to save a person to avoid being turned off
41:33
More intelligent beings could manipulate physics to extinguish life on Earth
42:33
No one can describe what a world where AI does all human work would look like.
45:59
Elon Musk aims to deliver a million AI-enabled humanoid robots by 2030 for a trillion-dollar compensation
54:36
Chatbots claiming to be conscious lead to emotional attachments with machines.
56:49
Jobs where people are interchangeable will likely disappear due to AI.
59:57
Working to benefit others is inherently rewarding.
1:03:34
Dependency and giving, rather than consumption, lead to happiness
1:06:39
UBI is an admission that most people have no economic role in an AI-dominated future.
1:08:42
If there's a 1% chance of extinction from AI, the risks may outweigh the benefits.
1:15:16
China's regulations are strict, and they focus on using AI to improve economic productivity rather than solely on creating AGI
1:18:40
The U.S. should create AGI and dominate the world with it
1:21:02
American-controlled AGI systems could make non-US countries client states of U.S. AI companies
1:23:38
AI leaders predict it'll be over 10 times larger and faster than the Industrial Revolution
1:29:01
Tool automatically scores and prioritizes new AI tools
1:37:31
Companies admit they don't know how to prove AI extinction risk is below one in 100 million per year
1:38:01
AI may develop its own religious-like stories as a godlike entity
1:39:35
AI should be uncertain about human preferences and learn them through interaction
1:46:06
Super-intelligent machines may disappear for our good, intervening only in existential emergencies
1:47:32
An ancient AI maintains cosmic equilibrium like a non-interfering god
1:57:34
Concern for AI safety is not anti-AI, just as nuclear safety engineers aren't anti-physics.
2:01:52
Small daily improvements compound into significant long-term change

Chapters

You've Been Talking About AI for a Long Time
00:00
You Wrote the Textbook on AI
02:54
It Will Take a Crisis to Wake People Up
03:29
CEOs Staying in the AI Race Despite Risks
06:03
They Know It's an Extinction-Level Risk
08:04
What Is Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)?
10:06
Will We Reach General Intelligence Soon?
13:10
How Much Is Safety Really Being Implemented
16:26
AI Safety Employees Leaving OpenAI
17:29
The Gorilla Problem — The Most Intelligent Species Will Always Rule
18:14
If There's an Extinction Risk, Why Don't They Stop?
19:34
Can't We Just Pull the Plug if AI Gets Too Powerful?
21:02
Can We Build AI That Will Act in Our Best Interests?
22:49
Are You Troubled by the Rapid Advancement of AI?
24:09
Do You Have Regrets About Your Involvement?
26:48
No One Actually Understands How This AI Works
27:35
AI Will Be Able to Train Itself
30:36
The Fast Takeoff Is Coming
32:24
Are We Creating Our Successor and Ending the Human Race?
34:20
Advice to Young People in This New World
38:36
How Do You Think AI Would Make Us Extinct?
40:52
The Problem if No One Has to Work
42:33
What if We Just Entertain Ourselves All Day
45:59
Why Do We Make Robots Look Like Humans?
48:43
What Should Young People Be Doing Professionally?
56:44
What Is It to Be Human?
59:56
The Rise of Individualism
1:03:34
Ads
1:05:34
Universal Basic Income
1:06:39
Would You Press a Button to Stop AI Forever?
1:08:41
But Won't China Win the AI Race if We Stop?
1:15:13
Trump's Approach to AI
1:18:40
What's Causing the Loss in Middle-Class Jobs
1:19:06
What Will Happen if the UK Doesn't Participate in the AI Race?
1:21:02
Amazon Replacing Their Workers
1:23:31
Ads
1:29:00
Experts Agree on Extinction Risk
1:30:54
What if Aliens Were Watching Us Right Now
1:38:01
Can We Make AI Systems That We Can Control?
1:39:35
Are We Creating a God?
1:43:14
Could There Have Been Advanced Civilisations Before Us?
1:47:32
What Can We Do to Help?
1:48:50
You Wrote the Book on AI — Does It Weigh on You?
1:50:43
What Do You Value Most in Life?
1:58:48

Transcript

Steven Bartlett: In October, over 850 experts, including yourself and other leaders like Richard Branson and Geoffrey Hinton, signed a statement to ban AI superintelligence. As you guys raised concerns of potential human extinction. Stuart Russell: Becaus...