#37 Annie Duke: Getting Better by Being Wrong
The Knowledge Project
2018/07/25
#37 Annie Duke: Getting Better by Being Wrong
#37 Annie Duke: Getting Better by Being Wrong

The Knowledge Project
2018/07/25
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I have wanted to do this interview for a long time. On this episode, I am
thrilled to have Annie Duke, former professional poker player and author of the
new book, Thinking in Bets: Making Smarter Decisions When You Don't Have All the
Facts
[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074DG9LQF/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=farnamstreet-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B074DG9LQF&linkId=5367e389670dadeff27cddca33c4cf0f].
Annie has a very interesting background that makes her uniquely qualified to
speak about high-level decision making. As an author, speaker, world-class poker
player, and academic in the fields of psychology and cognitive theory, Annie
understands the intersection of luck, skill, and making decisions in uncertain,
chaotic environments better than most people on the planet.
This is a whirlwind of an episode, and we cover all kinds of fascinating topics,
including:
* The strange circumstances that shifted Annie’s path from finishing a Ph.D. in
linguistics to becoming a professional poker player
* What it was like to be a female poker player in a predominantly male sport
(especially before poker had become socially acceptable)
* What drew Annie into such a high stakes, time-pressured environment and why
she felt like poker was the perfect fit for her
* How her graduate work in psychology informed the way she approached the game
of poker — and helped her rack up wins
* How she finds the signal in a very noisy stream of feedback
* The big mistakes Annie noticed other players making that were stalling their
progress in the game but allowed her to make giant leaps forward
* The role that mental models played in her learning process (and which models
Annie liked to lean on the most in a high stakes game)
* The power of surrounding yourself with people that can help you expand your
circle of competence — and how that made all the difference in Annie’s
development as a player
* Confirmatory and exploratory thought, and how one helps us to be “accurate”
and one helps us to be “right.”
* The secret pact you should be making with the people who are closest to you
And so much more.
This episode is just under two hours long, but there’s no fat in it. Annie
delivers a masterclass in making the smartest decisions we can, even when our
hubris insists otherwise. Do some finger stretches before hitting play, because
you’re going to be taking some serious notes.
Please enjoy the interview!
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Highlights
Highlights
In this wide-ranging, deeply insightful conversation, Annie Duke—former world-class poker player, cognitive scientist, and author of Thinking in Bets—unpacks how we really make decisions when outcomes are uncertain, feedback is misleading, and emotions run high.
Chapters
Chapters
How a linguistics PhD detoured into the high-stakes world of poker
00:00Why losing a hand teaches nothing—unless you stop telling yourself stories
12:22What happens when your friends care more about truth than agreement
24:04How a shared promise to be wrong together changes everything
32:03What if your beliefs were percentages—not pronouncements?
43:40Why the Seahawks’ Super Bowl call wasn’t stupid—and why we think it was
58:11What happens when organizations stop rewarding luck and start rewarding smart risk
1:03:20How arguing for the other side sharpens your judgment
1:08:43Why your team’s real decision journal isn’t on paper—it’s in the room
1:13:47What details actually matter when reviewing a decision—and which ones don’t
1:19:14How knowing the result ruins your ability to learn anything useful
1:27:11What if your team had a swear jar for 'I know for sure'?
1:32:36Why sounding confident often makes you less believable
1:40:12How talking to your future self helps you choose better today
1:45:38Transcript
Transcript
Shane Parrish: So I wanted to ask you about what your take on the morality of gambling is.
Annie Duke: Oh, I wasn't expecting that question.
Shane Parrish: Hello and welcome. I'm Shane Parrish and this is another episode of The Knowledge Project. This sh...
