Amanda Rae Grant shares her personal story of growing up in The Order, a polygamous cult, and the brutal consequences for mothers when their children escape. Her mother was demoted and forced to fast, and Amanda's photos were removed from the home. The indoctrination began early, with teachings on obedience and sacrifice, preparing girls for polygamous marriages. Amanda's realization that she couldn't raise daughters in such an environment, coupled with the belief that God wouldn't hate his daughters, was pivotal. The discussion also covers the emotional disconnect between fathers and children, with one former member calling his father a 'sperm donor.' Amanda warns against visiting an Order-owned clinic and reflects on the gradual process of leaving. The hosts also address listener questions about whether AA can be cult-like, advocating for recognizing manipulation over blanket labels. Finally, they discuss the emotional and practical costs of leaving, including guilt and difficult family dynamics, and promote an upcoming retreat to Costa Rica.