David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution
Dwarkesh Podcast
May 08
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution
David Reich – Why the Bronze Age was an inflection point in human evolution

Dwarkesh Podcast
May 08
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David Reich [https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/] is back.
He and collaborator Ali Akbari [https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/people/ali-akbari]
just published a paper
[https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2026_Akbari_Nature_selection_0.pdf]
that overturns a long-standing consensus about human evolution — that natural
selection has been dormant in our species since the agricultural revolution.
By scaling ancient DNA sequencing and developing a new statistical method, they
found that selection has actually sped up.
Selection went especially bonkers during the Bronze Age (around 3,000 years
ago).
That’s when gene frequencies for everything from immune function to body fat to
intelligence were most in flux.
Over the last 10,000 years, selection pushed the genetic predictor of cognitive
performance up by roughly a full standard deviation — most of it between 4,000
and 2,000 years ago.
After we finished recording, David sketched out on a whiteboard his new
heretical model about who the Neanderthals really were. Luckily, I took out my
iPhone and managed to record it.
He thinks the standard story (that Neanderthals are some separate archaic
lineage we interbred with a little) just doesn’t fit the evidence. Instead, he
proposes that Neanderthals are essentially genetically-swamped modern humans.
A small population somewhere around the Caucasus invented Middle Stone Age
technology roughly 300,000 years ago and expanded outward. The ones that moved
into Europe interbred with local archaic humans, got genetically swamped, and
became Neanderthals. The same expansion went into Africa, met much more diverged
archaic Africans, and that mixture became us.
This means Neanderthals and modern humans share the same cultural ancestry — the
only difference is which archaic humans they mixed with afterward.
David is a brilliant and rigorous scholar. It was a real delight to learn from
him again.
Watch on YouTube [https://youtu.be/sRKBGVFVYAw]; read the transcript
[https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/david-reich-2].
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Timestamps
(00:00:00) – Ancient DNA suggests strong selection over last 10,000 years
(00:15:45) – Natural selection intensified during the Bronze Age
(00:35:02) – Why didn’t evolution max out intelligence?
(00:57:21) – Evolution is limited by time, not population size
(01:09:02) – Why no farming before the Ice Age?
(01:17:13) – The Neanderthal puzzle David can’t stop thinking about
(01:54:10) – The methodology behind this breakthrough
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