Penn Badgley discusses his struggle to define himself beyond his famous roles in 'Gossip Girl' and 'You', emphasizing the importance of faith, fatherhood, and setting boundaries. He reflects on his discomfort with the term 'artist' and his approach to playing the morally complex character Joe Goldberg by focusing on the technical aspects of acting. Badgley shares how his Baha'i faith guides his career decisions, including negotiating to reduce explicit sex scenes in 'You'. He also talks about the transformative experience of becoming a father, both as a stepfather and biological parent, and how it has shifted his priorities toward community and social responsibility. The conversation touches on his spiritual journey, including time with the Kogi tribe, and his recommendations for books that explore consciousness, faith, and human connection.