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Why Uber’s CPO delivers food on weekends | Sachin Kansal

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Why Uber’s CPO delivers food on weekends | Sachin Kansal

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

2025/06/01
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth

2025/06/01
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Sachin Kansal is chief product officer at Uber, where he oversees the Rider, Driver, Delivery, Grocery, and New Verticals product lines used for 33 million daily trips worldwide. He’s been in product for over 25 years (at Google, Palm, Flywheel, and now Ub...

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Sachin Kansal, Uber's Chief Product Officer, shares insights into his product philosophy and leadership strategies. Known for his commitment to 'extreme dogfooding' and the mantra 'ship, ship, ship,' Sachin emphasizes the importance of firsthand user experiences and rapid iteration in product development. His approach has been instrumental in shaping Uber's global operations and its shift toward profitability.
10:23
Dogfooding is about fun, impact, and setting an example for the team.
13:47
Features that seem great in the office may be ineffective in real-world driving scenarios.
20:20
User experience cannot be replaced by metrics alone.
22:04
Uber organizes a quarterly driving and delivering competition for employees.
27:32
Get close to your customers, even if you're not a consumer product company.
35:12
Writing a 15-page PRD clarified a stalled project and accelerated decision-making.
36:37
Live demos create rigor and pride before product launches
40:49
Focus on defining and shipping products quickly to develop product sense
46:40
Product sense and gut feel will be more important in the AI world.
46:55
Sachin dislikes engineers who won't start a project without a PRD.
55:11
Earnings from deliveries are refunded to riders or eaters without specific messages.
56:00
Saving money and reinvesting it into the business to become profitable is rewarding.
1:01:58
Safety features added based on gut feeling improved user sentiment
1:07:21
The team uses ChatGPT and Gemini for building prototypes, user research, and information processing.
1:12:57
Adopting a 'ship, ship, ship' motto is crucial for success
1:13:48
End-users have complex lives and don't center them around products

Chapters

Sachin’s background
00:00
Dogfooding in practice
05:00
Empathy and understanding drivers
11:24
Balancing metrics and user experience
20:18
Operationalizing dogfooding
22:04
Challenges and solutions in dogfooding
24:26
The motto: “ship, ship, ship”
29:49
Product announcements and live demos
36:37
Career advice for product managers
40:49
The evolution of product management with AI
43:51
Collaboration between engineers and product managers
46:55
Uber’s vision for self-driving cars
49:36
Uber’s path to profitability
55:59
Balancing data and gut decisions
1:01:58
AI tools in product management
1:07:21
Failure corner
1:10:14
Lightning round and final thoughts
1:13:48

Transcript

Lenny Rachitsky: Everyone's always promoting dogfooding. It feels, though, that you take this to a whole other level. Sachin Kansal: Either once or twice a month, I will set aside half a day and then I'll go out and I'll drive and deliver. My team and I, ...