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Sarah Paine — How Imperial Japan defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

Dwarkesh Podcast

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After my last lecture series with Sarah Paine ended, I still had so many questions. I knew we’d only scratched the surface of Sarah’s scholarship, so I immediately invited her back for another series: she graciously agreed, and we’ll be releasing the results online over the coming weeks and months! This first lecture is focused on the balance of power in East Asia at the turn of the 20th century. Specifically, how did Japan (population 47M) defeat China (400M) and Russia (130M) to become Asia's dominant power? For me, the most interesting thing was that Japan's surprise attack on Port Arthur at the beginning of the Russo-Japanese War (1904) helps us understand why Japan might have thought Pearl Harbor would work. Watch on YouTube [https://youtu.be/KxIeJjEGLdo]; listen on Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dwarkesh-podcast/id1516093381?i=1000719011531] or Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/episode/5RiEnzxmBQsAh9401DKZyV?si=uPjHT0nZTfu0UIDYe5ttIw]. Sponsors * Google’s Veo 3 [https://gemini.google] helps us visualize the hypothetical scenarios that often come up during our interviews. Veo’s ability to generate both video and audio—all with incredible realism—makes it perfect for bringing our content to life. If you have a Google AI Pro or Ultra plan, you can try it in Gemini today by visiting gemini.google [https://gemini.google]. * Hudson River Trading [https://www.hudsonrivertrading.com/dwarkesh] is one of the world's top quantitative trading firms. Responsible for around 15% of all U.S. equities trading volume, HRT powers their trades with cutting-edge deep learning models. Their in-house AI team does fundamental ML research and then applies it to some of the most competitive markets in the world. If you’re interested in joining them, you can learn more at hudsonrivertrading.com/dwarkesh [https://hudsonrivertrading.com/dwarkesh]. To sponsor a future episode, visit dwarkesh.com/advertise [https://www.dwarkesh.com/advertise]. Timestamps (00:00:00) – Japan’s Meiji reforms (00:14:44) – Trans-Siberian railway & Japan’s 3-year window for empire (00:29:58) – The most important battle in the Russo-Japanese war (00:48:38) – China’s implosion: imperialism, civil wars, and opium (00:59:31) – Was Russia on track to dominate Asia? (01:14:20) – Pearl Harbor (1941) vs surprise attack of Port Arthur (1904) (01:34:03) – Why big countries still lose wars (01:46:56) – Grand strategy for small countries Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe [https://www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

Highlights

This podcast episode delves into the historical transformation of Japan in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, focusing on how a relatively small nation managed to rise as a dominant power in East Asia. The discussion centers on Japan's strategic modernization during the Meiji era and how it allowed the country to defeat larger and seemingly more powerful nations like China and Russia. Key military conflicts, such as the First Sino-Japanese War and the Russo-Japanese War, are examined to uncover the geopolitical and institutional factors that enabled Japan’s ascent.
12:20
Japan's Meiji reforms led to juridical equality with Western powers by 1890.
17:49
Japan gained Taiwan and the Pescadores after defeating China
35:35
The Japanese captured the 203-meter hill, enabling them to sink Russian battleships in Port Arthur.
57:30
Russia sent 100,000 troops to Manchuria during the Boxer Rebellion and refused to withdraw.
1:05:46
Japan's literate population and Meiji reforms enabled effective war mobilization.
1:32:28
The Meiji reforms influenced Deng Xiaoping's policies and those of the Four Little Tigers.
1:45:51
It's better to make people fear you than love you, but never make them hate you.
1:49:34
The State Department's role in preventing catastrophes like Indo-Pakistani nuclear war

Chapters

Japan’s Meiji reforms
00:00
Trans-Siberian railway & Japan’s 3-year window for empire
14:44
The most important battle in the Russo-Japanese war
29:58
China’s implosion: imperialism, civil wars, and opium
48:38
Was Russia on track to dominate Asia?
59:31
Pearl Harbor (1941) vs surprise attack of Port Arthur (1904)
1:14:20
Why big countries still lose wars
1:34:03
Grand strategy for small countries
1:46:56

Transcript

Sarah Paine: So I'm going to talk to you today about one of the two great generations in modern Japanese history, and they are the Meiji generation, named after the Meiji emperor. Here. And that generation transformed Japan into the only, the first and the...