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He said yes to an IT job. He ended up enslaved in a scam compound.

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Last June, journalist Andy Greenberg received an anonymous email from someone claiming to be trapped inside a scam compound in Southeast Asia. The source, using the pseudonym Red Bull, said he had access to a trove of internal materials exposing the inner ...

Highlights

This episode follows journalist Andy Greenberg’s extraordinary collaboration with a whistleblower who risked everything to expose the inner workings of a transnational scam compound — and the harrowing reality of those trapped inside.
09:17
Workers were trained to spam initial contact messages, create fake profiles, and follow detailed scripts to build trust and execute the 'pig butchering' scam
12:27
Red Bull initially wanted to stay and expose the scam compound rather than escape
17:42
The trapped person attempted to escape by forging a police document, but was caught and beaten
23:04
Many scammers are also victims of human trafficking and coercion
26:06
Red Bull continued providing valuable information without payment after escaping
29:22
Muhammad Muzahir allowed Andy Greenberg to use his real name and show his face

Chapters

How Red Bull got trapped — and why he stayed to document it
00:00
What Greenberg could — and couldn’t — do to help from afar
12:27
The forged police document, the beating, and the shift to remote rescue
17:42
Escaping barefoot across five countries — and living with the guilt
20:21
Why U.S. anti-trafficking efforts keep missing the real victims
26:06
Why Muzahir shared his real name — and what that cost him
29:22

Transcript

Speaker 3: This is In Conversation from Apple News. I'm Sam Sanders, in for Shumita Basu. Today, inside the dark world of foreign scam compounds. One evening last June, journalist Andy Greenberg was on the roof of his apartment building, playing with his k...