Today's show: Cerebras just jacked its IPO range to $150–$160 a share, OpenAI bought a consulting firm to seed its $4 billion private-equity joint venture, and a startup in Oakland is electrolyzing magnesium out of seawater for one-third the going price. Alex Wilhelm and Jason Calacanis go deep with AI21 co-CEO Ori Goshen on why model orchestration, not bigger LLMs, will decide who wins enterprise AI. The crew also covered the decline of OpenClaw, TikTok's new £3.99 ad-free tier, more entries in the live-show sidebar bounty, and had time for a little Off Duty before signing off. Guest Links: Ori Goshen on LinkedIn [https://il.linkedin.com/in/ori-goshen] AI21 [https://www.ai21.com/] Alex Grant on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/biglithium/] Magrathea Metals [https://www.magratheametals.com/] Timestamps: 0:00 Ori Goshen, CEO of AI21 joins the show 1:20 Plaud: If your work depends on conversations — interviews, meetings, calls — you need a Plaud NotePin. You can check it out at https://Plaud.ai/twist and use code TWIST for 10% off! 5:14 Why enterprises care about token cost optimization 6:01 Jamba as open-weight; Maestro as proprietary orchestration 10:08 LinkedIn Jobs - Hire right, the first time. Post your first job and get $100 off towards your job post at https://LinkedIn.com/twist 12:56 AI21 customer roster: FNAC, US tech giants, Israeli companies 19:01 Alex Grant, CEO of Magrathea Metals joins to discuss pulling magnesium from seawater 20:03 Live video of the Oakland pilot electrolyzer 20:10 Deel - Founders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit https://deel.com/twist to learn more. 22:01 Magnesium as a "gateway metal" for aluminum, defense, aerospace 23:20 TETRA joint venture & the Evergreen Project in Arkansas 23:38 Series A close, JV economics: $3,000/ton vs. $7,000/ton market 29:10 Sidebar bounty update: Glass Sidebar (Oliver Choy) demo 30:47 Netsuite - Get the free business guide Demystifying AI at https://netsuite.com/twist 31:47 Sidebar bounty update: Sidecast (Patrick Hughes) demo 36:09 Reducing scope to "real-time fact checker only" for final round 37:24 Ro.co: Ro's insurance checker will let you know if your coverage includes GLP-1s for FREE. Go to https://Ro.co/Twist for your free insurance check. 39:07 Cerebras IPO: $115–$125 → $150–$160 per share 44:19 Will OpenAI's compute commitments to Cerebras actually get funded? 49:19 Fervo Energy IPO — venture-backed geothermal company going public 49:40 OpenAI Deployment Company + Tomoro acquisition explained 53:51 Anthropic's parallel $1.5B PE joint venture with Blackstone & Goldman 56:05 Why Jason thinks these PE spinouts are convoluted financial engineering 56:40 OpenClaw's decline + competition from Cowork, Perplexity, Grok 1:04:22 TikTok's £3.99 ad-free subscription launches in the UK 1:09:09 Knicks sweep 76ers — Jason's playoff predictions 1:11:24 Off-duty: "There Is No Antimemetics Division" by qntm 1:13:25 Off-duty: Fall of Civilizations podcast by Paul Cooper 1:16:37 States' rights, federalism, housing supply & closing thoughts Subscribe to the TWiST500 newsletter: https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.com [https://ticker.thisweekinstartups.com] Check out the TWIST500: https://www.twist500.com [https://www.twist500.com] Subscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcp [https://rb.gy/v19fcp] Follow Lon: X: https://x.com/lons [https://x.com/lons] Follow Alex: X: https://x.com/alex [https://x.com/alex] LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelm [https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexwilhelm/] Follow Jason: X: https://twitter.com/Jason [https://twitter.com/Jason] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis] Check out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/ [https://partners.launch.co/] Great TWIST interviews: Will Guidara, [https://youtu.be/pvJa2pzuXWQ] Eoghan McCabe [https://youtu.be/9dHN4YFkgv4], Steve Huffman [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-on-mod-revolt-building-a/id315114957?i=1000617333424], Brian Chesky [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/airbnb-ceo-brian-chesky-on-early-rejection-customer/id315114957?i=1000611761112], Bob Moesta, [https://youtu.be/y2UMzSqX94Q] Aaron Levie [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/box-ceo-aaron-levie-breaks-down-box-ai-and-generative/id315114957?i=1000612384545], Sophia Amoruso [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/sophia-amoruso-on-branding-raising-a-fund-portfolio/id315114957?i=1000601352978], Reid Hoffman [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/reid-hoffman-on-ais-crescendo-moment-regulation-and/id315114957?i=1000612548498], Frank Slootman [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/snowflake-ceo-frank-slootman-on-moving-the-needle-win/id315114957?i=1000602560622], Billy McFarland [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/billy-mcfarland-on-fyre-fest-fraud-failure-hacking/id315114957?i=1000610922577] Check out Jason's suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanis [https://substack.com/@calacanis] Follow TWiST: Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartups [https://twitter.com/TWiStartups] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekin [https://www.youtube.com/thisweekin] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartups [https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinstartups] TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartups [https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinstartups] Substack: https://twistartups.substack.com [https://twistartups.substack.com]