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#1041 - Dr Debra Lieberman - Why Don’t You Have Sex With Your Sister?

Modern Wisdom
In this thought-provoking discussion, evolutionary psychologist Dr. Debra Lieberman unpacks the deep-rooted mechanisms that shape human behavior around kinship, attraction, and morality. The conversation dives into the biological and psychological systems that naturally steer us away from inbreeding, while also questioning whether our moral instincts always align with rational reasoning.
The podcast explores how humans and animals avoid inbreeding through evolved cues like co-residence, caregiving observation, and smell, with the Westermarck effect playing a central role in developing sexual aversion among siblings raised together. These same mechanisms support altruism within families. When biological relatives meet later in life—such as half-siblings from sperm donation—genetic sexual attraction can occur due to shared traits, not innate desire. Moral opposition to consensual adult incest often relies on intuition rather than logic, illustrated by studies showing people condemn it without coherent justification. While cousin marriage carries relatively low genetic risk, social taboos remain strong. Crying is examined as an evolved social signal of vulnerability, used to elicit empathy or cooperation, especially by those with less power. Tears—even feigned ones—function as strategic tools in social negotiation. The episode concludes with insights into Lieberman’s research and her efforts to democratize access to scientific knowledge.
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Humans use natural systems to detect close genetic relatives and develop sexual aversion to avoid genetic problems in offspring.
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Breastfeeding by an adoptive mother reduces the likelihood of marriage in 'minor marriage' arrangements due to triggered incest avoidance
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Co-residence from birth reduces uncertainty about genetic relatedness.
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Sharing genes may lead to similar preferences, making relatives seem like one's 'perfect mate'.
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Women show less variation in disgust due to higher reproductive costs.
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Incest porn may appeal due to the fantasy of breaking social norms rather than actual familial desire.
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Cousin aversion could potentially be tuned like sibling aversion due to genetic and social factors.
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Tears can communicate both distress and positive social value, serving as tools for connection or manipulation.
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Crying after a breakup might be a neurochemical 'data dump' to reset social attachment.
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