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20VC: Atlassian CEO on Why Everything is Overvalued & Are We in an AI Bubble | Do Margins Matter & Does Defensibility Exist in an AI World | Is Per Seat Pricing Dead & The Future of Vibe Coding with Mike Cannon-Brookes

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20VC: Atlassian CEO on Why Everything is Overvalued & Are We in an AI Bubble | Do Margins Matter & Does Defensibility Exist in an AI World | Is Per Seat Pricing Dead & The Future of Vibe Coding with Mike Cannon-Brookes

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

2025/10/13
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

2025/10/13
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Mike Cannon-Brookes is the Co-Founder and Co-CEO of Atlassian, the $50BN software giant behind products like Jira, Confluence, and Trello. Since founding the company in 2002, he has scaled it to over 300,000 customers globally, generating more than $5BN in...

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In this candid conversation, Mike Cannon-Brookes, co-founder and co-CEO of Atlassian, dives into the mindset and leadership principles that have shaped one of tech’s most enduring success stories. From navigating the complexities of shared leadership to confronting the transformative impact of AI on software and business models, he offers a forward-looking perspective grounded in real-world experience.
07:24
Believe your co-CEO is better at most things to drive improvement
20:19
Design is a major bet in technological transitions and can differentiate AI-era software.
31:36
Graduates may bring a new perspective to software development, potentially shaking up the existing talent pool
32:57
Grads today with computer science degrees are more productive due to AI-assisted coding
34:04
Coding is a small part of a developer's job; debugging and system operations take more time.
41:13
Design and user experience can create meaningful switching costs in AI applications
46:48
Constraints drive action and creativity more than unlimited resources.
53:25
Achieving goals as a team is the fun part; memories matter more than money.

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Why Unreasonable Men Win in Startups
00:00
How to Make Co-CEOs Work
07:22
Are We in an AI Bubble? Is Everything Overvalued?
13:22
The Future of Software Development: More or Less Devs
26:46
Do Margins Matter in a World of AI
32:53
The Future of Vibe Coding…
34:02
Does Defensibility Exist in a World of AI
36:35
Is Per Seat Pricing Dead in a World of AI
42:09
The Founder Journey and Leadership
49:01
Quick Fire Round: Parenting Advice, Relationship to Money
54:28

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Mike Cannon-Brookes: reasonable men sort of live within the boundaries, And so you need unreasonable men to change things and move the world forward. One of the only predictions I think I would make accurately is 10 years from now, we'll look back and say,...