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#478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex

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#478 – Scott Horton: The Case Against War and the Military Industrial Complex

Lex Fridman Podcast

2025/08/24
Lex Fridman Podcast

Lex Fridman Podcast

2025/08/24
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Scott Horton is the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, co-host of Provoked, and for the past three decades a staunch critic of U.S. military interventionism. Thank you for listening Che...

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In this extensive conversation, Scott Horton, a leading critic of U.S. military interventionism, reflects on decades of American foreign policy decisions and their global repercussions. As the director of the Libertarian Institute and host of The Scott Horton Show, he brings a critical perspective to historical and contemporary conflicts, offering insights into the motivations behind U.S. military engagements and their consequences.
00:00
Scott Horton has conducted over 6,000 interviews since 2003.
07:17
AG1 makes the speaker feel in control of life
00:09:14
Over 800,000 direct and indirect deaths from the wars on terror
1:10:26
False claims about Iraqi incubators and nuclear weapons were used to gain public support.
2:27:49
Blowback as a real cause of 9/11, rooted in U.S. policy failures
2:38:01
Keeping Bin Laden alive justified the Iraq War and War on Terror.
3:07:49
Neoconservatives fabricated intelligence linking Saddam to Al-Qaeda to justify war
3:49:41
Defense companies like Lockheed and Boeing use gerrymandering-like policies to spread production and create lobbying power.
4:05:39
The speaker thoroughly fact-checked a 477,000-word book with many footnotes to avoid being wrong.
5:01:19
Iran offered to hand over Bin Laden associates in 2001, but the Bush administration rejected the proposal.
5:41:01
ISIS emerged from internal Al-Qaeda conflict and defiance of Zawahiri
06:08:07
US military actions have led to increased instability in Somalia.
6:20:19
The Iraq War has evolved through multiple phases, including conflicts with Sunni and Shiite groups, with potential for a future war against former allies.
7:05:58
Diplomacy is the only way to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
8:15:26
Netanyahu supported Hamas to prevent a Palestinian state and keep Palestinians divided.
9:14:55
The U.S. knowingly misled Russia on NATO expansion despite promises made during German reunification.

Chapters

Introduction
00:00
Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
00:35
From the Cold War to the War on Terror
09:14
Iraq War 1
1:02:13
Bin Laden
1:30:17
Afghanistan War
2:29:39
Iraq War 2
2:44:35
Military Industrial Complex
3:10:59
Scott’s life story
3:50:25
Iraq War 2 (continued)
4:20:15
Syria
5:11:43
Iraq War 3
6:05:01
Somalia
6:17:28
Iran
6:22:56
Israel-Palestine
7:12:41
Cold War 2.0
9:02:19

Transcript

Lex Fridman: The following is a conversation with Scott Horton. He's the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, co-host of Provoked, and host of The Scott Horton Show, on which he has done over 6,000 interviews since 2003...