Kevin Kelly on Flounder Mode and Optimism
Humans in the Loop
Jan 13
Kevin Kelly on Flounder Mode and Optimism
Kevin Kelly on Flounder Mode and Optimism

Humans in the Loop
Jan 13
Unprocessed episode, you can be the first!
How to describe Kevin Kelly?
- Founder of Wired Magazine.
- Writer of industry defining essays like '1000 true fans' - https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/
- Co-chair of The Long Now Foundation encouraging people to think on civilisational timescales
- Passionate traveller and photographer whose travelled remote parts of Asia for the last 50 years - https://kevin2kelly.myshopify.com/products/colors-of-asia-a-visual-journey
- The subject of the brilliant term, coined by Brie Wolfson - Flounder Modehttps://joincolossus.com/article/flounder-mode/
- And a dream podcast guest
Kevin is known for many things, not least his optimism, but Kevin's flavour of optimism is what we calls 'protopian not utopian' - an acknowledgement that new technology creates major new problems but that over time we find ways to solve them
Chapters
00:00 The Hollywood Approach to Career Paths
05:20 Pursuing Interesting Projects
07:46 Influence and Unique Contributions
10:38 Radical Optimism Explained
13:38 The Choice of Optimism
16:28 The Reality of Progress
19:05 Wrestling with Counter Narratives
21:54 Building Better Technology
28:18 Navigating Technology's Strengths and Weaknesses
30:54 The Ethics of Technology Creation
33:14 The Role of Corporations in Technology
36:04 The Necessity of Innovation in Addressing Problems
42:14 Long-Term Thinking and the Long Now Foundation
47:55 Envisioning a Desirable Future
53:11 Celebrating Cultural Heritage Through Photography
Get in touch
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Email: seb@theuncommonfounder.com
Personal website: https://www.theuncommonfounder.com