The Self-Driving Startup Nobody Saw Coming | E2289
This Week in Startups
May 15
The Self-Driving Startup Nobody Saw Coming | E2289
The Self-Driving Startup Nobody Saw Coming | E2289

This Week in Startups
May 15
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Self-driving just stopped being a science problem and became an engineering
challenge instead. That's the through-line of today's double-header with the
CEOs of two of the most important AV companies in the world — Wayve's Alex
Kendall and Waabi's Raquel Urtasun. Between them: ~$2B raised in the last six
months, Uber as a partner, Nissan and Volvo as OEMs, and a shared bet that
end-to-end AI plus world models beats Waymo's city-by-city map-and-pray
approach.
If you want to understand the state of the self-driving industry beyond recent
Waymo announcements, this is the episode for you.
Guest Links:
Wayve: wayve.ai/ [http://wayve.ai/]
Waabi: http://waabi.ai/ [http://waabi.ai/]
Alex Kendall https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgkendall/
[https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgkendall/]
Raquel Uratsun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raquel-urtasun-298400139/
[https://www.linkedin.com/in/raquel-urtasun-298400139/]
Company Links:
Wayve's GAIA-2 world model: https://wayve.ai/thinking/gaia-2/
[https://wayve.ai/thinking/gaia-2/]
Wayve's 500 city roadshow: https://wayve.ai/thinking/ai-500-roadshow-500-cities/
[https://wayve.ai/thinking/ai-500-roadshow-500-cities/]
Wavye's most recent funding round: https://wayve.ai/press/series-d/
[https://wayve.ai/press/series-d/]
Waybe + Uber: https://wayve.ai/press/wayve-nissan-uber-robotaxi-collaboration/
[https://wayve.ai/press/wayve-nissan-uber-robotaxi-collaboration/]
Waabi closed-loop simulator: https://waabi.ai/insights/waabi-world
[https://waabi.ai/insights/waabi-world]
Waabi + Volvo:
https://waabi.ai/insights/waabi-and-volvo-autonomous-solutions-partner-to-jointly-develop-and-deploy-autonomous-transportation-solutions
[https://waabi.ai/insights/waabi-and-volvo-autonomous-solutions-partner-to-jointly-develop-and-deploy-autonomous-transportation-solutions]
Waabi + Uber:
https://www.uberfreight.com/en-US/blog/uber-freight-and-waabi-introduce-industry-first-autonomous-truck-deployment-solution
[https://www.uberfreight.com/en-US/blog/uber-freight-and-waabi-introduce-industry-first-autonomous-truck-deployment-solution]
Timestamps:
0:00 Alex Kendall (Wayve) joins the show
1:19 The contrarian bet on end-to-end AI and world models in 2017
3:05 What is a world model? GAIA-2 and GAIA-3 explained
7:34 Sensor agnosticism: camera, radar, LiDAR and minimum bar for safety
9:56 $1.5B raised — have we cracked self-driving?
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35:59 Raquel Urtasun (Waabi) joins the show
36:25 World models as controllable simulators for physical AI
43:34 One AI brain across trucks, robotaxis, and beyond
47:35 What changed in AI to make 2026 the deployment year
52:28 Why Waabi raised $1B when they're capital-efficient
58:52 Where Waabi is today: Volvo VNL Autonomous, Dallas-Houston, Uber Freight
1:00:50 Per-mile pricing and the Driver-as-a-Service model
1:07:20 Has Uber tried to buy Waabi? "Not for sale"
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Highlights
Highlights
This episode features a deep dive into the evolving landscape of autonomous vehicle technology through conversations with Alex Kendall of Wayve and Raquel Urtasun of Waabi—two visionary leaders redefining how self-driving systems are built and deployed.
Chapters
Chapters
Alex Kendall (Wayve) joins the show
00:00The contrarian bet on end-to-end AI and world models in 2017
01:19What is a world model? GAIA-2 and GAIA-3 explained
03:05Sensor agnosticism: camera, radar, LiDAR and minimum bar for safety
07:34$1.5B raised — have we cracked self-driving?
09:56Render: Find out why 5 million developers are already using the all-in-one cloud platform, Render. Go to https://render.com/twist and apply for the Render Startup Program to get $500-$100,000 in free credits, depending on your stage and backers.
10:09Squarespace: Use offer code TWIST to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain at https://www.Squarespace.com/TWIST
20:38How consumers will actually pay: bundle, subscription, or free trial
25:03IM8 Health: Start feeling like your best self every day. Go to https://IM8health.com/twist and use the code TWiST to get a free welcome kit, five free travel sachets, and 10% off your order.
30:15Raquel Urtasun (Waabi) joins the show
35:59World models as controllable simulators for physical AI
36:25One AI brain across trucks, robotaxis, and beyond
43:34What changed in AI to make 2026 the deployment year
47:35Why Waabi raised $1B when they're capital-efficient
52:28Where Waabi is today: Volvo VNL Autonomous, Dallas-Houston, Uber Freight
58:52Per-mile pricing and the Driver-as-a-Service model
1:00:50Has Uber tried to buy Waabi? "Not for sale"
1:07:20Transcript
Transcript
Alex Wilhelm: We pioneered end-to-end learning when it was widely dismissed.
Alex Kendall: Self-driving in a way that economically scales the world is not solved.
Raquel Urtasun: Our partnership is not up to $25,000, it is over $25,000, or, in other word...
