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Cloudflare CEO: The Internet's Business Model Is Dead

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Cloudflare CEO: The Internet's Business Model Is Dead

The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck

Jun 25
The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck

The MAD Podcast with Matt Turck

Jun 25
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Cloudflare CEO and co-founder Matthew Prince joins Matt Turck for a wide-ranging and fascinating conversation about what happens when the Internet is no longer mostly used by humans, but by bots, AI agents and machines. Matthew explains why Cloudflare now ...

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Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince discusses a fundamental shift in the internet's landscape, where automated traffic from bots and AI agents has surpassed human activity. This change is breaking the traditional ad-based business model and forcing a re-evaluation of how the web is built, secured, and monetized.
00:00
Bots don't click ads.
00:34
Bots and AI agents now outnumber humans online
01:27
Bot traffic has surpassed human traffic
04:05
AI agents visit thousands of sites versus a human's few
05:28
Massively increase demand
06:27
Bots don't click on ads.
06:52
The internet's business model is shifting from clicks to actions in an agentic world
08:11
Security needs scale with budget
10:29
Cloudflare gained users from hacker kids and humanitarian organizations
19:41
Signing up is easy, leaving is even easier.
21:13
Thousands of Turkish prostitution sites signed up
33:47
Ensure each co-founder has a clear lane.
37:06
Cloudflare has always been an AI company.
40:24
Cloudflare excels at inference, not training.
44:30
Built for internal use, now a product due to demand.
47:06
Each knowledge worker could have hundreds of agents
52:13
AI will cause a wave of Log4j-like vulnerabilities
56:03
A skeptical engineer became 100x more productive.
1:05:02
AI frees people to build and sell
1:06:30
The kindest action is to act quickly with generous severance.
1:11:09
Senior staff return to IC roles due to AI productivity
1:17:02
Cloudflare offers tools to both facilitate and block AI bots.
1:18:30
10-100 million transactions per second needed
1:23:24
AI models reveal knowledge gaps like holes in Swiss cheese

Chapters

Cold open
00:00
Intro
00:34
The moment bots passed humans online
01:27
"Agent," "bot," "crawler" — what they really mean
04:05
Why your AI agent visits 5,000 sites to do one thing
05:28
The internet's business model is breaking
06:27
What happens to "brands" when machines do the buying
06:52
What Cloudflare actually does, explained simply
08:11
Hackers, human rights groups & an accidental product-market fit
10:29
Building a global network (and the Telecom Pakistan cricket story)
13:37
One hacker, from Turkish escort sites to Eurovision to JP Morgan
21:10
Fundraising, VCs & an unlikely founding team
30:54
How Cloudflare became an AI infrastructure company
37:06
Cloudflare Workers and why the edge wins for inference
40:24
AI Gateway: auditing, guardrails & runaway costs
44:30
Why agents need a new kind of compute
47:05
A "Log4j every week": security in the agentic era
52:13
Inside Cloudflare: 241 billion tokens and "Cloudflare OS"
56:03
Builders, sellers — and "measurers"
1:05:02
The decision Matthew thinks every company will face
1:06:30
What to do if AI is coming for your job
1:11:09
Content Independence Day & the new economics of the web
1:13:56
Pay-per-crawl, micropayments & out-scaling Visa
1:18:27
A better internet: Spotify, local news & "holes in the cheese"
1:20:20

Transcript

Matthew Prince: We actually had bot traffic pass human traffic online. In the first half of 2024. In five years, you might have a thousand times as much traffic on the Internet as you do today. In the next six to 12 months, almost every company is going to...