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JRE MMA Show #173 with Benny "The Jet" Urquidez & William "Blinky" Rodriguez

In this heartfelt and wide-ranging conversation, Joe Rogan sits down with legendary kickboxer Benny 'The Jet' Urquidez and community leader William 'Blinky' Rodriguez — two men whose lives intersect through martial arts, loss, resilience, and a shared commitment to healing.
Benny Urquidez and Blinky Rodriguez reflect on decades of shaping American combat sports — from pioneering no-rules fights in Hawaii to co-founding the iconic Jet Center. Blinky transformed his son’s tragic death into a decades-long peace initiative, culminating in a neighborhood peace treaty rooted in forgiveness. The discussion traces Muay Thai’s U.S. origins: learning from black-and-white films, inventing shin guards in a leather shop, and adapting rules that later influenced MMA. Calf kicks, once overlooked, are celebrated for their tactical dominance, while early PKA and K-1 struggles reveal how promotion, rule sets, and audience expectations shaped the sport’s trajectory. They contrast the raw authenticity of early martial arts — with its honor codes and self-funded grit — against today’s commercialized landscape. Safety innovations like redesigned MMA gloves are weighed alongside ethical imperatives: integrity over spectacle, defense over aggression, inner growth over rivalry. Ultimately, martial arts emerges not as mere competition, but as a vehicle for redemption, community repair, and lifelong self-mastery.
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Blinky started a nonprofit after his son's death to combat community violence.
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Fought a 245-pound opponent at 145 pounds in a no-rules bout that included biting.
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Shin guards were created after consulting a leather craftsman, replacing the use of numbing sprays.
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Calf kicks, once overlooked, are now a primary weapon in MMA.
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Stan Longinidis broke Dennis Alexio's leg with a powerful leg kick during a fight.
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Allowing low kicks from the start could have made PKA as popular as MMA.
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Combat sports should include all fighting skills, not just standing strikes.
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Casual fans want exciting moments like car crashes; they boo when fights go to the ground.
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Martial arts is a high-level problem-solving activity with serious consequences.
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Many fighters train with concussions without knowing it, severely compromising performance.
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Gambling money turned Muay Thai into a brutal, high-stakes sport shaped by the sale of young fighters to gyms.
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They and Lily were the first husband-wife pair to fight internationally on the same card
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Sensei Gene used his gi to win an early mixed-rules fight against Milo Savage.
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Inoki's leg kicks left Ali hospitalized with infected, fluid-filled legs
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Lily paved the way for modern female boxers like Claressa Shields and Layla Ali.
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Covering fingertips in MMA gloves could prevent eye pokes and stoppages like Aspinall's injury.
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The real battle is within oneself, not about creating enemies.
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William 'Blinky' Rodriguez embraced the man who killed his son and led him to faith.