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Interesting Times: She Exposed Epstein and Shares MAGA’s Anger

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Interesting Times: She Exposed Epstein and Shares MAGA’s Anger

The Ezra Klein Show

2025/12/02
The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show

2025/12/02
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My colleague Ross Douthat talks to the journalist who exposed Jeffrey Epstein.  This episode of “Interesting Times,” with the Miami Herald investigative journalist Julie K. Brown, came out back in July. But since Epstein has very much stayed in the news, ...

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The Jeffrey Epstein case remains one of the most confounding and disturbing criminal scandals of recent decades, not just for the crimes themselves but for the layers of secrecy, power, and impunity that surrounded them. In this conversation, investigative journalist Julie K. Brown offers a firsthand account of how she reopened a case long buried by legal maneuvering and elite protection.
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The plea deal was kept secret from the public and victims, violating the Crime Victims' Rights Act.
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Authorities should have followed the money instead of relying solely on victim testimonies.
37:53
Virginia Giuffre went public with allegations despite facing brutal attacks on her credibility.
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The government has files that could reveal the full scope of Epstein's network but hasn't released them.
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Epstein didn't act alone; others must face justice

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How did a secret plea deal bury Epstein’s crimes for over a decade?
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What powered Epstein’s trafficking operation—and why was he finally arrested?
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Who were the powerful figures drawn into Epstein’s world of influence and abuse?
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Why do so many accomplices remain free, and what secrets are still hidden?
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Is justice possible when power protects the guilty?
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Ross Douthat: This is Nick Kristof. I'm an opinion columnist for The New York Times, and I'm proud that. For more than 100 years, The Times has conducted an annual appeal to raise money for charitable organizations. Times journalism is fundamentally about ...