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E132: Wintermute CEO Solves Crypto’s Biggest Conspiracies

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E132: Wintermute CEO Solves Crypto’s Biggest Conspiracies

When Shift Happens Podcast

2025/07/31
When Shift Happens Podcast

When Shift Happens Podcast

2025/07/31
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Evgeny Gaevoy, founder and CEO of Wintermute, dismantles crypto's biggest conspiracy theories with brutal honesty.  He explains why market manipulation claims are "flat earth theory level stupidity" and reveals how markets actually work. From price...

Highlights

In a candid and insightful conversation, Evgeny Gaevoy, founder and CEO of Wintermute, pulls back the curtain on the mechanics of crypto markets, challenging widespread myths with direct, no-nonsense clarity. From his early days in finance to building one of the most influential market-making firms in crypto, Gaevoy frames business as a strategic game governed by transparency, long-term thinking, and ethical boundaries.
01:31
Fake trading volume can be spotted by analyzing order book depth and trade frequency.
05:47
Winning is relative and depends on shifting KPIs like ROI or volume
08:36
Dominance in Solana DeFi trading is seen as unfair by some, but considered acceptable within ethical boundaries.
11:13
Most scammy people in crypto eventually retire or face legal consequences
15:28
Not lying makes life easier and more authentic.
16:20
Money is just a leaderboard for me now.
20:17
The best thing money can buy is the freedom to not worry about negative events like losing a phone or scratching a car
20:44
Market makers profit from bid-ask spreads and arbitrage in both centralized and decentralized markets
26:20
Delta neutral strategies help market makers avoid cryptocurrency price exposure by hedging positions.
35:19
Arbitrage between exchanges is a basic market practice, not evidence of manipulation.
39:55
Exchanges restrict withdrawals for up to a day post-listing, creating upward price pressure.
40:47
There's no incentive for market makers to talk since it risks revealing valuable information.
42:07
Selling at high-priced launches prevents retail investors from overpaying.
47:22
Market maker refused 30x-50x token pricing due to risk of losses from overvaluation
54:06
Meme Coin activity led to better detection instruments for fake volume
57:46
Founder of Mantle Network admitted to having market maker buy back $10 million in tokens
59:40
A market maker might sell high and buy back low to maintain a target price range without breaking rules.
1:04:50
Exchanges are the first line of defense against market manipulation but often don't clearly communicate rules or publicize punishments
1:06:38
Long-term players prioritize safe, delta-neutral strategies over short-term price manipulation.
1:13:52
Wintermute has made its venture arm independent to focus on long-term, high-return investments.
1:16:45
Market makers benefit from volatility and trading activity, not artificial price movements.
1:18:08
The positive views of industry builders help counter FUD.
1:22:08
I'd take a one-way ticket to Mars as one of the first colonizers.

Chapters

Introduction
00:00
Please Subscribe
01:31
Partnerships
01:56
Market Making Made Simple
02:42
Who is Evgeny Gaevoy?
04:37
Business Feels Like a Game
05:45
Game Theory in Crypto
08:34
Self Custody with Trezor
10:18
Playing The Long-Term Game
11:12
From Finance To Crypto
12:21
Money Is Just A Leaderboard
16:19
The True Value Of Money
17:36
What is Market Making?
20:44
What Is Delta Neutral Trading?
26:20
Debunking Market Manipulation Myths
29:38
Inside A Token Launch
37:06
Price Discovery Is Competition
40:47
Controversies Around Token Pricing
42:06
Token Pricing Realities Explained
47:22
Spotting Fake Crypto Volume
50:43
How Market Makers Influence Prices
54:33
Market Manipulation vs Buybacks
59:29
Why Spoofing Goes Unpunished
1:04:47
How Market Makers Profit
1:06:32
Market Maker VC Conflicts
1:10:27
The Truth About Wash Trading
1:16:44
Handling FUD at Wintermute
1:18:08
Dreaming of Colonizing Mars
1:22:03
Concluding Remarks
1:23:45

Transcript

Kevin Follonier: Personally, I think it's not about having a billion dollars. I'm a very leaderboard kind of person. I have like a leaderboard in mind where I'm not on top yet. And when I get on top, I basically just shift the leaderboard to include somebo...