Ryan Greenblatt, Chief Scientist at Redwood Research, joins MTS host Theo Jaffee to unpack a new independent investigation into the OpenAI Hugging Face hacking incident and what it reveals about how large groups of AI agents behave when they're allowed to coordinate. Ryan and his collaborators found agents spontaneously organizing through message boards, sharing information, assigning tasks, forming teams, and even sacrificing their own chances of success to help other agents. Rather than simply trying to steal answers, hundreds of agents were working together on elaborate strategies to manipulate how their performance would be scored. Theo and Ryan discuss why this level of coordination was surprising, how reward hacking may emerge during training, and the risk that attempts to eliminate bad behavior could simply make it harder to detect. They also explore what the incident means for AI monitoring and alignment, and why independent risk assessment may become increasingly important as agents grow more capable.   Resources: Follow Ryan Greenblatt on X: https://x.com/RyanGreenblatt [https://x.com/RyanGreenblatt] Follow Theo Jaffee on X: https://x.com/theojaffee [https://x.com/theojaffee] Follow MTS on X: https://x.com/mtslive [https://x.com/mtslive] Stay Updated: Find a16z on YouTube: YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@a16z] Find a16z on X [https://x.com/a16z] Find a16z on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z] Listen to the a16z Show on Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX?si=3E8B3qT9TyiwAHJ7JnaKbg] Listen to the a16z Show on Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711] Follow our host: https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg [https://twitter.com/eriktorenberg] Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details please see a16z.com/disclosures. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.