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Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin became the most powerful dictator in history

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Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin became the most powerful dictator in history

Dwarkesh Podcast

2025/07/10
Dwarkesh Podcast

Dwarkesh Podcast

2025/07/10
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The Stephen Kotkin episode. Kotkin is arguably the world’s foremost expert on Joseph Stalin and has written a massive 2-volume biography on him (with a 3rd volume in the works). No other individual had more of a profound impact on the 20th century than Stalin. He held the power of life and death over every single person across 11 time zones, and he killed tens of millions of people, utterly consumed by an ideology aimed at building paradise on Earth. And, he was one half of the biggest and most consequential military confrontation in history (even if Hitler didn’t prove to be his match). Watch on YouTube [https://youtu.be/YMfd3EoHfPI]; listen on Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dwarkesh-podcast/id1516093381?i=1000716709877] or Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/episode/0Wb7GWB1DmmO8Jw3ILPavW?si=2bcf0bfa96b442ba]. Sponsors * Lighthouse [https://www.lighthousehq.com/] is THE fastest immigration solution for the technology industry. All they need is your resume or LinkedIn profile to tell you which visas you’re most eligible for, and they’ll send you this eligibility document for free, no commitment required. Get started today at https://www.lighthousehq.com/ref/Dwarkesh [https://www.lighthousehq.com/ref/Dwarkesh]. To sponsor a future episode, visit dwarkesh.com/advertise [https://www.dwarkesh.com/advertise]. Timestamps (00:00:00) – Was the tsarist regime the lesser of 2 evils? (00:23:45) – The peasants brought Lenin to power, then he enslaved them (00:37:38) – Why did so many go along with enforced famine and the Great Terror? (01:02:26) – Today’s leftist civil war (01:13:01) – Doesn’t CCP deserve credit for China's growth? (01:35:13) – Why didn't somebody just kill Stalin? (01:52:45) – Overcoming the pathologies of communism with tech: USSR vs China Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe [https://www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

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In this episode, historian Stephen Kotkin delves into the complexities of Stalin’s rule and its broader implications for understanding authoritarian regimes. Drawing from his extensive research on Soviet history, Kotkin explores how autocratic systems struggle to modernize without political reform, how ideology fuels mass repression, and why communist regimes have persisted despite catastrophic failures. The conversation also touches on contemporary parallels with China and the enduring allure of revolutionary ideologies.
07:02
Stalin spent 20 years without job or income, repeatedly imprisoned and exiled, before rising to power.
34:38
Stalin's secret police were built to enslave peasants through terror
50:40
Under Marxism-Leninism, intellectuals gain power through the state, drawing young people into its fold.
1:09:42
Failures in communist systems are blamed on leaders like Stalin rather than the ideology itself.
1:27:00
Deng Xiaoping redirected China's economic focus from the Soviet Union to the U.S. after visiting Japan.
1:48:43
Stalin's regime had high-level surveillance and internal distrust that discouraged conspiracies.
1:52:49
Political reform in communist systems often leads to self-liquidation.

Chapters

Was the tsarist regime the lesser of 2 evils?
00:00
The peasants brought Lenin to power, then he enslaved them
23:45
Why did so many go along with enforced famine and the Great Terror?
37:38
Today’s leftist civil war
1:02:26
Doesn’t CCP deserve credit for China's growth?
1:13:01
Why didn't somebody just kill Stalin?
1:35:13
Overcoming the pathologies of communism with tech: USSR vs China
1:52:45

Transcript

Dwarkesh Patel: My guest today is Stephen Kotkin, who is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of two-thirds of his three-volume. Stalin biographies. The first one, Stalin, Paradoxes of Power. The second one, Stalin, Waiting for Hitler. Ste...