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20Product: How Duolingo Build Product 10x Faster with AI | Duolingo's Biggest Lessons on Paywalls, Push Notifications and In-App Purchases | Why Small Teams are the Future of Product | Why PMs Will Become Extinct with Cem Kansu, CPO @ Duolingo

Cem Kansu, Chief Product Officer at Duolingo, discusses the company's product strategy and its evolution over the years. With a focus on innovation and meticulous attention to detail, Duolingo has become a leader in educational apps, boasting over 90 million monthly active learners. The podcast explores how Cem transformed the business model from ads to subscriptions, embraced AI for faster development, and refined monetization strategies while maintaining user engagement.
Cem Kansu shares insights into Duolingo’s success, highlighting the importance of small teams, AI-driven development, and thoughtful monetization. Initially avoiding ads, Duolingo transitioned to a freemium model, discovering that strategic ad placement did not hinder retention. The company leverages daily retention as a key metric, with features like streaks fostering habit formation. AI tools have revolutionized product development, enabling faster iteration and empowering product managers. Duolingo’s approach to push notifications and in-app purchases emphasizes enhancing user experience without compromising trust. Looking ahead, Cem envisions Duolingo evolving into an entertainment and education powerhouse akin to Disney, driven by innovative features and engaging content.
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Cem Kansu joined Duolingo in September 2016 as the first PM.
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Many ideas come from internal app usage, like improving speaking instruction.
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A PM and designer prototyped a full chess lesson without an engineer
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Focus on making existing subjects 10x better instead of expanding breadth.
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Design processes and tools like Figma may become obsolete with AI.
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AI tools help PMs overcome imposter syndrome and unlock easier product building.
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Cursor outperforms Windsurf due to greater adoption at Duolingo.
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Ads were tested and showed no negative impact on retention[31:30]
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A free product creates an organic growth flywheel
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The best way to promote Duolingo Max is through contextual experiences rather than generic ads.
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Middle subscription option has highest conversion rate.
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Duolingo's customer support restores streaks for valid reasons like time-zone switches.
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Tasteful monetization keeps free users unharmed.
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Users with 30-day streaks have higher retention due to habit formation.
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The streak feature instills daily habits with animations and feedback.
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Scheduling notifications 23.5 hours after a lesson boosts retention