What happens when an AI hater starts building with AI agents? In this episode, we talk with software engineer Steve Klabnik, known for his work on the Rust programming language, about his journey from criticizing AI to experimenting with it firsthand. We explore Steve’s programming language Rue, largely built with the help of AI tools like Claude, and discuss what this means for software engineering and the future of coding in an AI-driven world. Featuring: * Steve Klabnik – LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-klabnik/] * Chris Benson – Website [https://chrisbenson.com/], LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisbenson], Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/chrisbenson.bsky.social], GitHub [https://github.com/chrisbenson], X [https://x.com/chrisbenson] * Daniel Whitenack – Website [https://www.datadan.io/], GitHub [https://github.com/dwhitena], X [https://x.com/dwhitena] Links: * The Rust Programming Language [https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/title-page.html#the-rust-programming-language] * Rust [https://rust-lang.org/] * Rue [https://rue-lang.dev/] * Daniel's RSA Meeting link for March 23, 2026 [https://meetings.hubspot.com/catherine-katie/rsa-cyber-expo-start-up-march-23] * Daniel's RSA Meeting link for March 24-25, 2026 [https://meetings.hubspot.com/catherine-katie/rsa-superprime-booking] Upcoming Events:  * Register for upcoming webinars here [https://practicalai.fm/webinars]!