China vs the US: Kishore Mahbubani on a Zero-Sum Rivalry
The Mishal Husain Show
1 DAYS AGO
China vs the US: Kishore Mahbubani on a Zero-Sum Rivalry
China vs the US: Kishore Mahbubani on a Zero-Sum Rivalry

The Mishal Husain Show
1 DAYS AGO
This episode features Mishal Husain in conversation with Kishore Mahbubani, a former Singaporean diplomat and expert on global governance, who offers a long-view analysis of the US-China rivalry beyond the optics of recent summits.
Mahbubani frames the US-China relationship as the defining geopolitical contest of our time—not reducible to personalities or short-term diplomacy, but rooted in structural shifts: China’s irreversible ascent, driven by economic scale, technological advancement, and political stability. He rejects zero-sum thinking, warning it risks dangerous escalation and distracts from shared existential challenges like climate change. Drawing parallels with Singapore’s own development journey—marked by poverty, resilience, and visionary leadership—he underscores that China’s rise reflects legitimate developmental imperatives, not ideological aggression. Mahbubani challenges Cold War analogies, emphasizing China’s civilizational distinctiveness and its success in lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty. He also critiques Western double standards on human rights and argues that US military overreach, particularly in the Middle East, has inadvertently accelerated China’s regional and global influence. Ultimately, he urges the US to focus on domestic renewal—especially equity and living standards—rather than containment, while advocating for pragmatic, sovereignty-respecting engagement across Asia.
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Kishore Mahbubani suggests the US and China should avoid a zero-sum contest
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The US-China rivalry is the most important contest of our time
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