Dr. Nadine Burke Harris
Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
2019/10/10
Dr. Nadine Burke Harris
Dr. Nadine Burke Harris

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
2019/10/10
Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, California’s first Surgeon General and a pioneering pediatrician, joins the conversation to explore how childhood adversity reshapes biology, health, and lifespan—not as abstract theory, but as measurable, preventable science rooted in clinical experience and population data.
Dr. Nadine Burke Harris explains how adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) trigger lasting biological changes—dysregulating stress response systems, altering brain development, and increasing risks for chronic disease, addiction, and early mortality. Drawing from the landmark CDC-Kaiser ACE Study, she highlights that two-thirds of people have at least one ACE, and risk escalates cumulatively. She details how trauma affects the amygdala, prefrontal cortex, and cortisol pathways—and how nurturing relationships, sleep, exercise, and mindfulness can biologically buffer these effects, partly via oxytocin. Her work pioneered de-identified ACE screening in California to encourage honest reporting without fear of punitive consequences. She reframes ACEs not just as risk factors but as sources of adaptive strengths—like heightened perception or resilience—forged through survival. Personal reflections on her mother’s schizophrenia, the loss of her son, and racialized stress underscore how identity and inequity compound biological burden. Crucially, she emphasizes that healing is neurobiologically possible: one safe relationship, consistent self-care grounded in science, and systemic, trauma-informed care can interrupt intergenerational cycles and advance health equity.
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Two-thirds of the population has been exposed to at least one category of childhood adversity
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De-identified ACE screening reduces caregiver disincentives while enabling risk assessment
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High ACE scores correlate with dramatically increased risk of autoimmune disease and heart disease
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Oxytocin released from hugs inhibits the stress response and protects the body from its harmful effects
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Two-thirds of the population has experienced childhood trauma and its far-reaching effects
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The science of stress saved my life after losing my son in 2014
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Racial stress triggers biological threat responses identical to physical danger
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Lower-ranking gorillas have higher cortisol, inflammation, and illness; high-rankers spike cortisol when their privilege is threatened
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Dr. Harris opened her clinic in an underserved San Francisco neighborhood because her parents instilled high expectations and a commitment to serving communities of color.
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Good parents can still have issues like addiction, and early interventions—like teaching relationship skills, meditation, and sleep training—can help prevent ACE-related harm
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Many participants dropped out of the ACE Study on obesity despite achieving weight loss
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Tech company perks like egg-freezing payment are designed to keep employees constantly working, not just to retain them
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Companies are beginning to offer in-house doctors as part of employee health benefits