A new format for the podcast! With three frontier founders: Guillermo Rauch (Vercel), Blake Scholl (Boom Supersonic), and Max Hodak (Science). 01:27 AI Software Factories 04:15 Waste Tokens, Save Time 05:47 Models Instructing Humans 09:30 Is Pure Software Dead? 12:04 You Don't Get Stuck Anymore Transcript: nav.al/tokens