Demystifying Tokenisation, Digital Currencies, and the Future of Payments with Arjeh van Oijen
Dave and Dharm DeMystify
Jul 03
Demystifying Tokenisation, Digital Currencies, and the Future of Payments with Arjeh van Oijen
Demystifying Tokenisation, Digital Currencies, and the Future of Payments with Arjeh van Oijen

Dave and Dharm DeMystify
Jul 03
In this episode, the hosts and their guest delve into the transformative potential of tokenisation and digital currencies in the financial world. The conversation moves from the complexities of modern banking infrastructure to the geopolitical forces shaping the future of money, exploring how new technologies could redefine payments, settlement, and the very structure of the global financial system.
The discussion begins by examining how Icon Solutions helps large banks consolidate fragmented payment systems, reducing costs and enabling faster innovation. The conversation then categorizes digital assets, distinguishing between cryptocurrencies, stablecoins, CBDCs, and tokenized deposits, with a focus on how tokenized deposits could enable 24/7 domestic settlement on distributed ledger networks. A key point of tension is the potential for tokenized deposits to bypass central banks, raising financial stability concerns, while also promising to eliminate correspondent banking in cross-border payments within a decade. The rise of new account-to-account payment networks in various countries is presented as a direct challenge to traditional card schemes, driven by both efficiency and geopolitical desires for financial sovereignty. Finally, the episode explores the contrasting approaches to CBDCs, with Europe pursuing a Digital Euro for retail use while the US avoids a digital dollar to support stablecoins and maintain the dollar's reserve status, highlighting the growing friction between technological integration and geopolitical fragmentation.
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Banks can customize 90% of standard functionality.
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Tokenisation enables 24/7 settlement and atomic T+0 settlement.
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Correspondent banking will disappear within 5-10 years.
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Geopolitical concerns drive the push for independent payment infrastructure
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Technology shrinks the world while geopolitics adds friction.