#2432 - Josh Dubin
The Joe Rogan Experience
2025/12/30
#2432 - Josh Dubin
#2432 - Josh Dubin
The Joe Rogan Experience
2025/12/30
This conversation dives into the deep flaws embedded within the U.S. legal and criminal justice systems, exposing how corruption, bias, and outdated policies continue to devastate lives. From shocking cases of DNA theft to decades-long wrongful imprisonments, the discussion reveals how personal vendettas and institutional failures intersect. At the heart of it is a call for accountability, empathy, and systemic reform—especially in areas like clemency, drug policy, and immigration enforcement.
The podcast examines high-profile injustices, beginning with the Perlmutters, whose DNA was stolen and used to frame them in a hate crime, leading to a $50 million defamation victory and the founding of the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice. The center later took on cases like Nelson Cruz’s wrongful conviction, tied to corrupt detective Louis Scarcella and unreliable witnesses, where the real killer remains free. Other cases include Michael Giles, a veteran sentenced to 25 years in self-defense, denied clemency despite broad support, raising concerns about racial bias and political interference. Immigration injustices are also highlighted, such as elderly green-card holders deported despite deep community ties. The discussion critiques the arbitrary pardon process, discriminatory prosecution practices, and the war on drugs, arguing that criminalization fuels cartels while safer substances remain unregulated. Historical suppression of hemp due to corporate interests, Portugal’s decriminalization model, and emerging psychedelic therapies further underscore the need for evidence-based, humane reforms.
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Ike Perlmutter is the former chairman of Marvel.
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An unaccredited lab falsely matched Lori Perlmutter's DNA to hate mail evidence.
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The case established critical scrutiny of forensic error rates influenced by bias
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The jury awarded $50 million, indicating that Lori Perlmutter's reputation significantly influenced the outcome.
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Another man, Andre Bellinger, claimed to have seen Cruz commit the crime.
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The judge who denied Nelson Cruz's exoneration later resigned due to advanced Alzheimer's.
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Nelson Cruz served 26 years and is still fighting to prove his innocence.
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ICE is going after easy targets to meet quotas, not focusing on real criminals.
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The man is worth pardoning and deserves a public hearing
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Alice Johnson, wrongfully incarcerated on a drug offense, was pardoned by Trump and now advocates for second chances.
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Michael Giles, an Air Force veteran, was sucker punched during a fight he didn't start or participate in.
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The client shot Thrower in self-defense during a melee
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Governor denies clemency despite fulfilled conditions and high-level support.
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Jack Campbell had to publicly apologize and undergo racial sensitivity training after a discriminatory memo was exposed.
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High-dose marijuana isn't suitable for everyone and may pose mental health risks.
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Marijuana has a higher safety margin than many legal substances due to its very high LD50.
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Legalizing drugs undermines cartels and saves lives
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Hearst sponsored 'Reefer Madness' to protect his paper mill profits.
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Legalizing cocaine could dismantle cartels and reduce overdose deaths
