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Long Live Context Engineering - with Jeff Huber of Chroma

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Long Live Context Engineering - with Jeff Huber of Chroma

Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

Aug 19
Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

Aug 19
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Jeff Huber of Chroma joins us to talk about what actually matters in vector databases in 2025, why “modern search for AI” is different, and how to ship systems that don’t rot as context grows. Full show notes: https://www.latent.space/p/chroma 00:00 Introductions 00:48 Why Build Chroma 02:55 Information Retrieval vs. Search 04:29 Staying Focused in a Competitive AI Market 08:08 Building Chroma Cloud 12:15 Context Engineering and the Problems with RAG 16:11 Context Rot 21:49 Prioritizing Context Quality 27:02 Code Indexing and Retrieval Strategies 32:04 Chunk Rewriting and Query Optimization for Code 34:07 Transformer Architecture Evolution and Retrieval Systems 38:06 Memory as a Benefit of Context Engineering 40:13 Structuring AI Memory and Offline Compaction 45:46 Lessons from Previous Startups and Building with Purpose 47:32 Religion and Values in Silicon Valley 50:18 Company Culture, Design, and Brand Consistency 52:36 Hiring at Chroma: Designers, Researchers, and Engineers

Highlights

In this episode of the Latent Space podcast, Alessio and swyx sit down with Jeff Huber, founder and CEO of Chroma, an open-source vector database gaining traction in the AI development community. Jeff shares insights into the motivations behind building Chroma, its evolution from a developer tool to a scalable cloud service, and the broader challenges in AI systems today, especially around context engineering and long-term system reliability.
00:48
Chroma helps developers build AI production applications by making ML more engineering-like
02:57
Modern AI search uses language models that can handle more data, influencing system design.
04:29
Chroma chose a contrarian approach by focusing on developer experience despite challenges.
09:20
Chroma Cloud offers a zero-config, fast, and cost-effective experience for developers.
12:15
Context engineering is crucial for successful AI startups and involves optimizing the context window for LLMs.
18:27
Chroma's research has no commercial motivations, just highlighting problems
24:11
LLMs will become the dominant re-ranker as they get faster and cheaper
27:06
Chroma allows forking of indexes quickly and cheaply for versioned data search
32:04
Chunk rewriting and metadata extraction ease downstream query tasks.
36:33
Continual retrieval and staying in embedding space are expected to be interesting areas for future development
38:06
Memory is a beneficial and understandable term for AI interaction
42:38
Generative benchmarking is a powerful method for evaluating retrieval systems
47:38
Praising work as a force for good in the context of AGI development
50:19
Leaders should be curators of taste, ensuring brand consistency and high-quality standards.
55:10
AI coding tools aren't great for Rust due to few online examples.

Chapters

Introductions
00:00
Why Build Chroma
00:48
Information Retrieval vs. Search
02:55
Staying Focused in a Competitive AI Market
04:29
Building Chroma Cloud
08:08
Context Engineering and the Problems with RAG
12:15
Context Rot
16:11
Prioritizing Context Quality
21:49
Code Indexing and Retrieval Strategies
27:02
Chunk Rewriting and Query Optimization for Code
32:04
Transformer Architecture Evolution and Retrieval Systems
34:07
Memory as a Benefit of Context Engineering
38:06
Structuring AI Memory and Offline Compaction
40:13
Lessons from Previous Startups and Building with Purpose
45:46
Religion and Values in Silicon Valley
47:32
Company Culture, Design, and Brand Consistency
50:18
Hiring at Chroma: Designers, Researchers, and Engineers
52:36

Transcript

Jeff Huber: Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Latent Space podcast in the new studio. This is Alessio, partner and CTO at Decibel, and I'm joined by swyx, founder of Small AI. swyx: Hey, hey, hey. It's weird to say welcome, because obviously, actually, today'...