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Uncapped #20 | Guillermo Rauch from Vercel

Shownote

Guillermo Rauch is the founder and CEO of Vercel, creators of v0 which is one of the most popular AI app building tools that’s helping power the online presence of companies like Porsche, Under Armour and Nintendo. In May 2024, Vercel completed a $250M Series E at a $3.25B valuation and was recently named to the Forbes Cloud 100. Originally from Argentina, Guillermo became a self-taught developer at the age of ten, and has been a passionate contributor to the open-source community ever since. He is the mind behind foundational JavaScript frameworks like Next.js and Socket.io, and has built tools that power some of the internet’s most innovative products, including Midjourney, Grok, and Notion. We covered: Vercel’s early insights State of affairs for codegen Implications of AI for developers Skills of the future Product building taste --- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (0:28) Prequel to Vercel (4:32) Vercel’s early insights (8:13) State of affairs for codegen (17:18) Codegen evolution (19:37) Perceived vs realized productivity (27:53) Fault attribution (31:56) Internet being a house of cards (35:33) When codegen will be exceptional (40:18) What kids should be learning (47:42) Chasing the dragon vs listening to customers (50:46) The next internet (51:58) Reverse engineering success (55:50) Making it work as a dad and CEO (58:14) Taste in building product --- More on Guillermo: https://vercel.com/ https://x.com/rauchg More on Jack: https://www.altcap.com/ https://x.com/jaltma --- https://linktr.ee/uncappedpod Email: friends@uncappedpod.com

Highlights

In this episode, Guillermo Rauch, founder and CEO of Vercel, dives into the evolving landscape of software development, the role of AI in coding, and how the next generation of developers is being shaped. From the origins of Vercel to the future of product building, he shares insights on how technology is transforming both the technical and creative aspects of development.
00:00
Programming teaches focus, discipline, and handling negative feedback
02:56
Vercel aimed to make developers productive with tools like Next.js and solve cloud-related issues.
04:32
Vercel focuses on front-end innovation to build faster, more dynamic applications and AI products.
08:13
Codegen bridges productivity but faces deployment bottlenecks
17:18
AI should be more than a 'slop generation machine'
22:14
AI platforms like v0 represent a shift from assistants to outcome-focused agents.
30:37
Fault attribution is a hard problem in platforms
31:56
Good security engineers write their own tools to combat evolving threats.
38:23
CTO builds customer feature in 30 minutes using v0
40:18
Vercel was created to abstract technical details and focus on end goals.
47:42
V0 becoming more agentic enables automated user research and feedback analysis
50:46
MCS enables decentralized collaboration without a single platform keeper controlling access.
51:58
The speaker values extreme coherence in companies, citing Apple as an example.
57:00
Confronting difficulty hardens the mind and stabilizes mental health
58:14
Fitness can serve as a form of meditation, enhancing presence and focus which improve product-building taste.

Chapters

Intro
00:00
Prequel to Vercel
00:28
Vercel’s early insights
04:32
State of affairs for codegen
08:13
Codegen evolution
17:18
Perceived vs realized productivity
19:37
Fault attribution
27:53
Internet being a house of cards
31:56
When codegen will be exceptional
35:33
What kids should be learning
40:18
Chasing the dragon vs listening to customers
47:42
The next internet
50:46
Reverse engineering success
51:58
Making it work as a dad and CEO
55:50
Taste in building product
58:14

Transcript

Guillermo Rauch: you've been coding for hours and hours, and he didn't even know what the output was. He was just impressed by the fact that someone could be so locked in. And so, I think programming taught me that, it taught me how to focus, it taught me ...